I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure. Here's the stack I landed on, what was harder than expected, and what you still can't avoid.

A good insight on the feasibility of the eurostack [at the time of writing].

  • Undertaker@feddit.orgEnglish
    3·
    2 days ago

    Your users expect “Sign in with Google” and “Sign in with Apple.”

    Doubt it. Good app? They will use it anyway. How do they register for Google and Apple?

    If you want Claude, and I very much want Claude, that’s Anthropic, that’s the US.

    If you want EU, stop wanting Claude then. What’s the point here?

    • The Galactic Janitor@hostux.social
      2·
      2 days ago

      @Undertaker @europe @genau

      I think we need a “Coalition of Freedom” to work with all those people in the USA who are resisting and organizing. That doesn’t mean buying from the US, but it does mean working with groups, such as Galloway’s Resist and Unsubscribe movement. I’m pissed off at America beyond words, but I do support those who are trying to resist and change things over there. Our Buy From EU/Canada campaigns are supported by those people there, which I appreciate.

      • genau@europe.pubOPEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        That’s quite a different perspective. For me, eurostacking is strategic, I don’t care what happens across the pond, I would strive to euromaxx even if some other regime was in control over there.

  • Ragnor@feddit.dkEnglish
    12·
    2 days ago

    And that’s just IT. I suspect it would be a lot harder if it was a physical product. It reminds me of Smarter Every Days videos about how hard it was to make a purely American made grill scrubber.

    • mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      2 days ago

      I think you’d be surprised. Europe has a quite robust manufacturing base compared to its “cloud hosting” base.

      It’s sort of a mirror image of the U.S. yes we can make things here, even at a competitive price, but we’re really behind on cloud offerings.

      • Ragnor@feddit.dkEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        Many of the basic components will be hard to source from a European factory. Things like nuts and bolts.

        • IsoKiero@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          I don’t know about factory, but Würth as a company can deliver all your nuts and bolts and crapload of other things from their own manufacturing.

        • mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          2 days ago

          True. Most of the manufacturing seems to be mid - high value add manufacturing. (Ie washing machines, ventilation, electrical, etc)

          Literal commodity manufactured parts will be more global.

          • Gathorall@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            2 days ago

            If we are looking at this from the angle of geopolitical dependency rather than ideological purity it’s quite far down the list to self-manufacture products that are available widely from several countries with varied political and economic ties.

            The point is to diffuse the economic ties enough that no actor would be individually holding a leash like US currently is. In some products this requires local capability, but hardly all of them, the point is to make EU a sovereign actor at the world stage, not prepare for an “EU against the World” -war where EU detaches itself from the global community.

            • mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              2 days ago

              I fully agree. We can buy screws and nuts that can be made anywhere and produce our own value added products.