How did we get so casual about conspiracy theories?

I was talking with someone today about nutrition. This person has a PhD in material science. They mentioned eating beef daily and I asked about the cholesterol implications. The answer was about a vague ‘they’ wanted us to think that, but it wasn’t true anymore.

I hear the vague ‘they’ so frequently now it’s just a normal conversation. In truth, as soon as I hear the vague they I dismiss the speaker’s credibility on the subject, but how did we get here? Vague they wanted us to think X is a valid counter argument by the most highly educated people in our society?

This sounds like more of a rant than a question, but I do truly want to know how this happened? Was it pop culture like the X Files that made conspiracy theories main stream? Was it social media? When will the vague they stop being an accepted explanation? Has it always been this way and I didn’t notice?

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    AIPAC: We control Western governments. These are our guys on the inside. We are spending tonnes of cash to oust anyone who is anti Israel! Look at us owning all these politicians!

    Enlightened Liberals: “no this is a strategic partnership”

    Listen up. What Israel is currently doing is speedrunning the reputation of the entire Western world into the ground so they can commit a genocide in front of the world in plain sight.

    You cannot in any way explain to me how this is a strategically sound plan nor offer any logical explanation except what the Israelis are screaming out loud themselves: Israel controls Western governments. Not the other way around.

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      Jewish Zionists and Israelis certainly play a significant role, but the tail is not wagging the dog. As Biden has explained for decades, “Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.” Israel is America’s unsinkable aircraft carrier in West Asia. Consider also that most Zionists are not Jewish, but Christian. AIPAC Not Just for Jews Anymore

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        This take has been destroyed over the past two years. Joe Biden is the top AIPAC recipient of all time. The “military base” is a very clear excuse used to send billions of dollars to Israel.

        Of course most American Zionists are Christians not Jews. This is why I said “Zionists”. Very few Israelis are even practicing Jews.

        Biden has been an ideological Zionist since the start of his career. His many “you don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist and I’m a Zionist” speeches are often forgotten

        America has military bases all over the middle east except one place strangely enough. Israel. There are plenty more reliable dogs which are groveling and listen very well to America. Egypt, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, etc. Not Israel.

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      AIPAC: We control Western governments.

      They are coping, trying to project their own power when they see very clearly that they’re on the brink. I don’t remember AIPAC saying that outright in english, but I wouldn’t exactly put it past those psychos either.

      Enlightened Liberals: “no this is a strategic partnership”

      I’m neither enlightened nor a liberal, but this is broadly a strategic partnership (in defense of the empire). Liberals still believe that an apartheid ethnostate is a completely acceptable thing, and that they should just kill a little bit less children. When exactly did the US need to convinced to lay waste to the middle-east for their own profit? If Israel sounds like a perfect unsinkable aircraft carrier in the area, it’s because that’s exactly what it is, and the kind of things they have never shied away from.

      I don’t deny that they most likely have dirt on some politician, Israeli intelligence is on record trying to pull the grossest shameless stunts, and of course they try their hardest to impact policies abroad, they’re not even trying to hide it. But saying “they control western government” as if the entire western world is a collection of Israeli puppet states is legitimately insane. The US military budget alone eclipses their whole GDP.

      What Israel is currently doing is speedrunning the reputation of the entire Western world into the ground

      We can do that ourselves tyvm, Israel isn’t responsible for Trump remarkable attempts at destroying the US economy, USD, and the entirety of their softpower. Israel has decided to completely overextend in a way where western governments, despite their ardent zionism, haven’t been able to reign in antizionist sentiment. But do you think that Israelis mind controlled Trump into destroying their lifeline and tariffing their own fucking selves? Everyone knows that Israel is only held afloat by the uninterrupted stream of weaponry from the US, and that’s a sacrifice profit the military-industrial complex is willing to make.

      You cannot in any way explain to me how this is a strategically sound plan

      No I cannot, it’s a fascist state eating itself, many such examples. They are desperate, and they’re very clearly running straight into a wall. I’d like you, however, to explain to me how this is a strategically sound plan even IF you assume their total supposed control of western governments when they inevitably crash and burn, as they’ve been working overtime towards. It’s not sound. They’re not sound. It’s a fascist ethnostate.

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        Israel isn’t responsible for Trump remarkable attempts at destroying the US economy, USD, and the entirety of their softpower.

        No, but they helped get him elected.

        Not sure they did it on purpose, and it only affected the stupidest of Democrat voters, but any argument that the genocide in Palestine didn’t impact our election is not being honest.

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        Miriam Adelson gave 200 million dollars to Donald Trump. Betar writes all his policies when it comes to Israel. They are deporting people inside of America for protesting against Israel. This is completely unheard of even for protesting against America. They do not care about Trumps policies when it comes to anything except Israel. If Trump wants to destroy the dollar they will let him do so.

        Israel is the Nazis. They have no strategically sound plans. The previous times their genocides were stopped. It was by Republican presidents who got external pressure from countries such as Saudi Arabia and they did the realpoltik thing. Which was for the best for Israel because it is not able to win a sustained war in the region. Inadvertedly them stopping Israel helped Israel.

        The problem now is that Israel controls America and the West completely and there is nobody left to stop Israel self-destructing. Liberal Zionists always made sure to keep up the illusion that Israel was the good guy, but the new right wing Israelis do not feel they need to do that. The West has every power to stop Israel and make them still look like some kind of good guy, but they are not doing it. Why??

        There is only one thing that Israel has not managed to do and that is to get America to bomb Iran for them.