Wouldn’t say China is ‘dead against’ the EU. China just does stuff which benefits them the most, I wouldn’t say they have an inherent resentment towards the EU. And unlike the US, I believe China sees that the EU is a viable partner economically and that they would do themselves a disfavour if they were damaging those relations. Something the US doesn’t understand, they just continue to isolate themselves further and further and suffer the consequences.
The EU’s concern is that if China becomes too dominant, their authoritarian politics could permeate across.
However, you are right about from China’s pov. They want to trade and be left alone (although, that doesn’t mean that China may one day not try to exert wider influence). They are trying to revive the concept of China being the centre of the world. For the Chinese, they call their country “Zhongguo” meaning “Middle Kingdom”. And before the European/Western dominance, countries were dying to form diplomatic and trade relations with China, which China kinda takes advantage of by demanding tributes from states who want to open relations. China knows they are the deal.
Well, USA is quite dominant and their imperial politics have been permeating across the world for quite some time.
Europe should probably focus inwards and try to gain more independence from outside actors. EU can do it, mostly, it just doesn’t want to because milions of voters cannot outvote a lobbying company.
With the current nation state model, people tend to side with the “lesser evil”. Before the second coming of Trump, people surveyed around the world expressed more favourable view of USA than China, although they trust neither.
Yeah. Democracy kinda forces lesser evil, no? Like you can’t find politician that has platform of any value to you, but everyone tells you to vote regardless, so you end up voting for whoever looks like a lesser evil.
I’d say form of governance beyond every person being isolated and only ruling themselves forces lesser evil, it’s very unlikely that any two people would always be in perfect alignment on every single conceivable issue. Of course in some systems you don’t get a say you so you don’t get to pick the option that you’re the most aligned with at all.
The US has been supporting Russia for a long time now and has also been in bed with China forever.
China is the fourth largest producer of arms providing weapons of murder to war torn regions. They are great because of US not despite it. With their new billionaire class they are looking a lot like a one-party version of the US government.
The EU is no saint as their policies have been linked to massive deaths and their member nations also supply arms used to kill civilians. I am unaware of EU wars killing so many people. This sounds like some pretty bizarre Russian propaganda.
I am not from the EU. Your saying that European soldiers raped Africans? Or are you saying that historically countries from the EU with their imperialistic designs have caused massive suffering? I think the later is common knowledge amongst people who care about these topics.
France almost invaded? So they tried and failed to maintain imperialistic control and Russia has stepped in. Both China and Russia have greatly increased their imperialistic presence in Africa supplying these country with arms that are used to kill civilians.
I am not sure you really supported you statement about EU soldiers causing deaths. I am sure EU nations and the USA will be happy to supply arms to the opposing sides in these countries thus enabling the cycle of destruction by imperialistic powers as they fight for control. Making money off of both sides in the conflict are the arms dealers, they are the real winners.
You’re getting down voted only because most people on this platform are from US and Europe.
While I get what Putin is doing now is indefensible, I have not heard a single explanation as to why Russia has been excluded from NATO and EU. Nor have I understood the western paranoia regarding China. And all I can surmise from this is that US and Europe have continued their exploitation of poor countries through corporations and tried to exclude Russia, China and their allies from the global order.
Both the EU and NATO require unaminous approval of existing members to add new members. Both organisations contain several members that have been under Russian domination within living memory. Given Russia’s frequent aggression towards its neighbours in the post-Soviet period, why would the likes of the Baltic countries trust Russia to be a reliable ally?
Additionally, Russia just straight up does not meet the Copenhagen criteria to join the EU and doesn’t have any measure of the pre-accession integration that every other applicant does
Yeah colonialism and military conquest is only bad when it’s done to you, not when it’s done by you.
And as for the Copenhagen criteria are there any metrics that can be used to determine whether a country is a functioning market economy or politically stable enough, or is it just a set of vague guidelines to keep the membership limited to whoever they like?
Who said anything about colonialism and conquest not being bad? Countries seek to defend themselves. Russia has consistently been a threat to several EU and NATO states, therefore they seek defences against it
is it just a set of vague guidelines to keep the membership limited to whoever they like?
They don’t need guidelines to do that. Any member state can just say no
My comment on colonialism was in response to you mentioning Russia’s historical conquest of Eastern Europe. European countries were busy colonising other parts of the world during the same time so they’re not better than Russia.
That doesn’t mean that I said anything about colonialism being okay. Don’t put words in my mouth, and especially not those words
The countries I mentioned were not, in general, colonial powers (there is an exception here for part of Latvia)
It is still entirely rational behaviour for a colonial power to defend itself against colonisation. Even if they actually were colonial powers then seeking defence against Russia would be a perfectly sensible thing for them to do.
Wouldn’t say China is ‘dead against’ the EU. China just does stuff which benefits them the most, I wouldn’t say they have an inherent resentment towards the EU. And unlike the US, I believe China sees that the EU is a viable partner economically and that they would do themselves a disfavour if they were damaging those relations. Something the US doesn’t understand, they just continue to isolate themselves further and further and suffer the consequences.
The EU’s concern is that if China becomes too dominant, their authoritarian politics could permeate across.
However, you are right about from China’s pov. They want to trade and be left alone (although, that doesn’t mean that China may one day not try to exert wider influence). They are trying to revive the concept of China being the centre of the world. For the Chinese, they call their country “Zhongguo” meaning “Middle Kingdom”. And before the European/Western dominance, countries were dying to form diplomatic and trade relations with China, which China kinda takes advantage of by demanding tributes from states who want to open relations. China knows they are the deal.
Well, USA is quite dominant and their imperial politics have been permeating across the world for quite some time.
Europe should probably focus inwards and try to gain more independence from outside actors. EU can do it, mostly, it just doesn’t want to because milions of voters cannot outvote a lobbying company.
With the current nation state model, people tend to side with the “lesser evil”. Before the second coming of Trump, people surveyed around the world expressed more favourable view of USA than China, although they trust neither.
Yeah. Democracy kinda forces lesser evil, no? Like you can’t find politician that has platform of any value to you, but everyone tells you to vote regardless, so you end up voting for whoever looks like a lesser evil.
If you can’t find a politician close enough to your values, become one (or support someone you trust in doing so)
I’d say form of governance beyond every person being isolated and only ruling themselves forces lesser evil, it’s very unlikely that any two people would always be in perfect alignment on every single conceivable issue. Of course in some systems you don’t get a say you so you don’t get to pick the option that you’re the most aligned with at all.
I’d also add: china wants european customers, and brands, a lot more than they want anything from the US.
The US is in an unspoken alliance with Russia and China. It is the new axis of evil and the EU should be very concerned.
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The US has been supporting Russia for a long time now and has also been in bed with China forever.
China is the fourth largest producer of arms providing weapons of murder to war torn regions. They are great because of US not despite it. With their new billionaire class they are looking a lot like a one-party version of the US government.
The EU is no saint as their policies have been linked to massive deaths and their member nations also supply arms used to kill civilians. I am unaware of EU wars killing so many people. This sounds like some pretty bizarre Russian propaganda.
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I am not from the EU. Your saying that European soldiers raped Africans? Or are you saying that historically countries from the EU with their imperialistic designs have caused massive suffering? I think the later is common knowledge amongst people who care about these topics.
France almost invaded? So they tried and failed to maintain imperialistic control and Russia has stepped in. Both China and Russia have greatly increased their imperialistic presence in Africa supplying these country with arms that are used to kill civilians.
I am not sure you really supported you statement about EU soldiers causing deaths. I am sure EU nations and the USA will be happy to supply arms to the opposing sides in these countries thus enabling the cycle of destruction by imperialistic powers as they fight for control. Making money off of both sides in the conflict are the arms dealers, they are the real winners.
You’re getting down voted only because most people on this platform are from US and Europe.
While I get what Putin is doing now is indefensible, I have not heard a single explanation as to why Russia has been excluded from NATO and EU. Nor have I understood the western paranoia regarding China. And all I can surmise from this is that US and Europe have continued their exploitation of poor countries through corporations and tried to exclude Russia, China and their allies from the global order.
Both the EU and NATO require unaminous approval of existing members to add new members. Both organisations contain several members that have been under Russian domination within living memory. Given Russia’s frequent aggression towards its neighbours in the post-Soviet period, why would the likes of the Baltic countries trust Russia to be a reliable ally?
Additionally, Russia just straight up does not meet the Copenhagen criteria to join the EU and doesn’t have any measure of the pre-accession integration that every other applicant does
Yeah colonialism and military conquest is only bad when it’s done to you, not when it’s done by you.
And as for the Copenhagen criteria are there any metrics that can be used to determine whether a country is a functioning market economy or politically stable enough, or is it just a set of vague guidelines to keep the membership limited to whoever they like?
Who said anything about colonialism and conquest not being bad? Countries seek to defend themselves. Russia has consistently been a threat to several EU and NATO states, therefore they seek defences against it
They don’t need guidelines to do that. Any member state can just say no
My comment on colonialism was in response to you mentioning Russia’s historical conquest of Eastern Europe. European countries were busy colonising other parts of the world during the same time so they’re not better than Russia.
That doesn’t mean that I said anything about colonialism being okay. Don’t put words in my mouth, and especially not those words
The countries I mentioned were not, in general, colonial powers (there is an exception here for part of Latvia)
It is still entirely rational behaviour for a colonial power to defend itself against colonisation. Even if they actually were colonial powers then seeking defence against Russia would be a perfectly sensible thing for them to do.