• poVoq@slrpnk.netM
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    1 day ago

    Because there is no capitalism in Russia or China? Last time I checked they are very much capitalist countries since more than 40 years now. And the one child policy is basically abolished in China, which no real effect on the low number of children born.

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      21 hours ago

      The demographic trends in communst countries don’t differ at all from similar capitalist countries.

      China is a unique case.

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      22 hours ago

      So what is this amazing society that is better, and has a sustainable birth rate?

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        24 hours ago

        To my mind, it is one we could build together, through collaboration and solidarity perhaps

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              20 hours ago

              No capitalism is about free markets, democracy is a form of governance.
              When China introduced their 1 child policy they did not have free markets, and Russia didn’t have free markets for 100 years.

              And neither of those countries are doing any better regarding fertility rate than many traditional capitalist countries.

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                20 hours ago

                And why do you think they are not doing better right now?

                Like I don’t want to defend the USSR or China under Mao at all, but the USSR had significantly higher birth rates when it still existed, and the one child policy of China was precisely implemented because they had a too high birth rate back then.

                However the common situation now is that neither have any longer and that seems to somehow correlate with them adopting capitalism like pretty much the rest of the world. Of course correlation isn’t equal to causation, but the comment that started this argument was much less “moronic” than your’s.

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                  20 hours ago

                  USSR had significantly higher birth rates when it still existed,

                  USSR was a poor country, and most other countries also had higher birth rates.

                  one child policy of China was precisely implemented because they had a too high birth rate back then.

                  Again China was a poor country.

                  So all you are doing is confirming what I already wrote that poor countries have higher birth rates.
                  China has been easing the 1 child policy, but the birth rate continues to decline.

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                    20 hours ago

                    So you think it is just because they are rich now? Well bad news for you: most of the Russian and Chinese population isn’t rich at all.

                    And anyways, you mean “rich” like the US where people can’t afford health and childcare because they are being exploited by capitalists and have to spend nearly all their waking hours working shitty jobs to pay for their inflated mortgages and rent?