also, that finnish experiment had only 26 self-selected participants so the same argument applies.
not that this lends any credence to the “wind turbines are harmful”-side, either; that was never what i was driving at. i pointed out that the article makes the same claims about dc’s as the paper i linked did about wind turbines.
someone else pointed out that even though the claims about their effects lack merit, *we still build them away from people". which is what i think we should do to dc’s as well, for the same reasons.
Ok, then I misunderstood your arguments. I understood “Away from people” an argument for increasing the distance to wind turbines. They are already normally build 500 to 1500m away from people.
I also saw it in my local context. In germany we had the conservatives argue for increasing the mandated distances further, triggered by the far rights hate for renewables, which would make it impossible to build them in large parts of the country.
When we talk about wind turbines vs datacenters, I think a big argument is the actual direct value for the community. Providing clean energy gives more and direct value to a community, while the AI datacenter are mainly bringing the benefit of slop. Both are done in the capitalism way, but Datacenters (especially AI DCs) are way farther away from the consumer.
most people aren’t driving 24 hours a day though.
also, that finnish experiment had only 26 self-selected participants so the same argument applies.
not that this lends any credence to the “wind turbines are harmful”-side, either; that was never what i was driving at. i pointed out that the article makes the same claims about dc’s as the paper i linked did about wind turbines.
someone else pointed out that even though the claims about their effects lack merit, *we still build them away from people". which is what i think we should do to dc’s as well, for the same reasons.
Ok, then I misunderstood your arguments. I understood “Away from people” an argument for increasing the distance to wind turbines. They are already normally build 500 to 1500m away from people. I also saw it in my local context. In germany we had the conservatives argue for increasing the mandated distances further, triggered by the far rights hate for renewables, which would make it impossible to build them in large parts of the country.
When we talk about wind turbines vs datacenters, I think a big argument is the actual direct value for the community. Providing clean energy gives more and direct value to a community, while the AI datacenter are mainly bringing the benefit of slop. Both are done in the capitalism way, but Datacenters (especially AI DCs) are way farther away from the consumer.