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  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
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    Free will does not exist in the way we think of it, as this divine, magic thing that is above anything. Most of your success is more due to chance, and your environment, than your effort.

    If you get taught wrong by your parents and/or peers, you are almost guaranteed to be locked into your bad behavior. So it was decided for you that you would play the role of a “bad person”.

    Pretty much related to Nietzsche’s quote: “some men are born post-mortem”.

    There’s also been a study showing monkeys unable to learn certain things, because it goes against the wirring of what they already learned, regardless of motivation, effort, reward.

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      This take always just pisses me off. I wish I could just bumble my way through life based on previous inputs alone. Every day the decisions I make are so exhausting. The work I exude thinking changes my destiny.

      Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely believe free will is naturalistic, but I think it comes about as a property of a complex system.

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        Just because there is the feeling of ‘I’ and the feeling of decision making doesn’t mean that they are objectively happening.

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        Scientists just call it volition. Anyway, I did create a system of learning for myself to take the gambling out of the equation, but I’m currently blocked by stress, and can’t really process anything.

        I’m not sure how good it would be for others, it’s a mess. I use Notion and Anki in there, interval learning, tactile learning (I type it all out), etc.

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      Most of your success is more due to chance, and your environment, than your effort.

      I have been lowkey studying business success for the last few decades, and you are absolutely correct… the vast majority of “success” is directly traceable to luck. Luck of opportunity, luck of connections, luck of having born into the right family with massive intergenerational wealth, and just plain dumb luck. But it’s almost always statistical probability. You just ignore all the snake eyes in your life in favour of the nat 20s.

      Now, that’s not to say hard work doesn’t assist to a degree… a strong skill set, talent, and grit do allow people to better leverage existing opportunities, but those opportunities are almost 100% luck-based.

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      Absolutely. I think we should still encourage good behaviors, while at the same time remembering that we merely provide a different perspective that takes time to bake in.

      We cannot expect someone who is broken or taught wrong to flip a switch and become good out of sheer desire to be so.

      Taught behaviors take a long time to change, this is just how neurons operate. With enough time and positive influence (including positive example), a person can retrain themselves to do better. Besides, to do so, they should first know for themselves what is right and what is wrong, and your perspectives might differ.