Zelensky posted warm thanks to Israel’s president for Independence Day wishes. He said Ukraine-Israel ties will grow and prayed for peace. Meanwhile, Israel bombs Gaza and occupies Palestine. Russia does same in Ukraine. Ukraine supports Israel, but Israel is just like Russia. Selective outrage is not okay. If you cry about invasion, dont support another invader.
source: https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2092372329594511598
Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows
The Ukrainians are doing what everyone thought was impossible. As long as they don’t do warcrimes I’ve got no notes.
Wildberries is not a warcrime, it’s a hybrid military supply chain. Same with gasoline.
Fucks given = 0. The guy’s capable of going to Washington to get humiliated in front of the entire world by the carrot cunt and its oversized VP baby. Does he even have a choice in the matter of supporting Isnotreal? Can he even make a difference? Can his tweets change the Palestinian situation? Nope. He can just fawn over other cunts, probably hoping for money or something.
Putin claims, that Ukraine is not a valid state - and (like all revanchists do) he presents some “historic data” to rewrite and “fix history”. When attacking Ukraine, putin’s Russia also calls the attacks as “setting the territory free”. Putin also VERY broadly uses other terms like “nazi” (“neonazi”). How convenient!
In the Palestine-Israel war there are equal revanchist claims to rewrite and “fix” history, as well as demands about another state not being “real” or “valid”. Out of the two sides, it’s the single one resembling putin’s revanchists and using the same rethorics to set the territories “free”. And not tolerating the other one to even exist.
That’s an unpleasant pill to swallow, i know. It has never been. Hence, the war.(
I refuse to judge a man trying to keep his people alive in the worst of times. He has to make impossible decisions and I’m not in any position to think I could do better.
lol i could, but I’m the type to lose a war i can’t win, instead of stalemating for decades
I’m the type
Come on, you’re commenting on Lemmy. You’re not the type to do anything lol
you think I’m not a loser, you have another thing coming
Welcome to politics, Ukraine needs any support it can get and that means climbing ass of whoever is not Russia. Like giving medals to Elon Musk just to make sure he does’t wake one day and give Russia access to Starlink again
🤔 pity Zelenskyy
While the Ukrainian Left is, from all I know, a stark supporter of Palestine.
They’re also allied with the USA, who are also attacking countries as they see fit. I’d assume by default that Ukraine just allies with whoever is willing and able to support them materially, and IDK if I should fault them for that while they’re in the middle of fighting against an invasion. Then again, Zelenskyy is Jewish and as such probably pro-Israel like most Jews …
Agree. I see it as existential for them and he has to be pragmatic and disregard his own preferences when it comes to morality. It is sad that the world has turned into this.
That is right.
You are right. While the majority of jews support zionist and Israeli crimes, not all of them do. I have shared several jews videos that condemn and against zionism and Israel
While the majority of jews support zionist and Israeli crimes
Source for this ridiculous claim?
The ridiculous claim of some Jews being anti-zionist, or the ridiculous claim of most Jews being zionist?
I meant to quote part of the comment. Fixed. Thanks.
One second of Google would help you. 62% of Israelis believe there are no innocents in Gaza. How much further in nationalisocialistic rhetoric can you go from there?
the majority of jews support zionist and Israeli crimes
vs.
62% of Israelis believe there are no innocents in Gaza
Try again?
Are you stupid or you don’t see the connection?
Source: https://sh.itjust.works/c/ZionistViolenceMonitor?dataType=Post&sort=New
Dozens of videos show that some jews are against zionism and Israeli crimes.
You claimed that
the majority of jews support zionist and Israeli crimes
Where is your source for that. As it stands, it’s just antisemitism.
the implication here is that if he’s right, reality is anti-semitic, which is not the case at all!
Israel’s tragic attempt to merge Judaism and Zionism seems to be succeeding globally. if anything, their propaganda machine is your anti-Semitic culprit
the implication here is that if he’s right, reality is anti-semitic, which is not the case at all!
The implication is that if they are making shit up about jewish people they are anti-semitic.
Also, your two links are not sources for the claim that I quoted.
Israel’s tragic attempt to merge Judaism and Zionism seems to be succeeding globally.
Because of people like OP conflating jewish people with Israelis.
as a socialist white American who opposes the imperial regime i kind of know how the ~12% of anti-Zionist Jews who want global recognition of their identity feel. we want our existence recognized but we accomplish LESS THAN NOTHING and then we get upset that we are lumped in with genociders, meanwhile the majority planned this and wants this. when Jewish anti-Zionism accomplishes anything, it’ll be recognized, until then yall are basically like white American socialists, you try again and again but despite your efforts things are getting worse, fast, and there are SEVERAL groups of people who are CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING something far worse than you are who get to speak instead of you, for now. (white Americans have it a little better rhetorically because we don’t have compulsory military service and our settler-colonialism is, for some reason, referred to using the past tense)
I’m not upset that you’re whining about it, i whine too, but no one is going to take us seriously until we prove, materially, that it matters in any real way that we believe the correct thing. it’s not happening yet, but if this continues without any real accomplishment, when gen alpha gets old enough they are going to globally accuse you of LARPing like Gen Z did with the communists here, and you’ll split into “anti-Zionists” and “non-Zionists” like we did here with leftism, as the Palestinians begin to dwindle into the tens of thousands, then thousands, then hundreds
Because of people like OP conflating jewish people with Israelis.
NO, I don’t conflate. Not all jews are israelis and related to Israel!
Can you please explain what you want to say with that link?
The majority of jews support zionist and Israeli crimes
The majority of jews support Israel’s crimes. But not all. Those who don’t support Israel’s crimes can be found in the links. Additional link: https://tankie.tube/c/zionistcrimemonitor/videos
Yeah we’ve been saying that the US has never been on the right side of a conflict but you libs keep telling us this one is different
IDK man, I’m pretty happy that Hitler didn’t win WW2.
The US gets at best 3/4 credit for that.
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Ukraine isn’t the one invading another country, so there’s that.
Yes, they invaded Kursk?
Question is, if invading a different country was really the point you are trying to make.
Kursk is a Russian state. Are you really faulting Ukraine for pushing north over the border in an area that wasn’t as heavily protected, while they were getting overran to the east.
No faults given. Just answering a wrong claim.
Are you calling your persona dirt because you don’t want us to realize you’re actually a walking pile of shit?
Well, one side is invading a sovereign country with the stated goal of annexing it and displacing the population.
The other side is being invaded and suffering a genocide by a vastly larger country, and are desperately trying to get whatever help they can.
So no, it doesn’t raise that question at all. Or at least, not among people with more than 2 braincells.
Yeah no, Israel is definitely doing much worse shit than Russia. What’s going on there isn’t a mere invasion.
No, not for a lack of trying. I’m sure if Putin had a chance he gladly would Gazafy Ukraine so he can plant his flag.
Israel routinely did the scenario: evacuation order to X, bomb X because Hamas is there.
Who else does this kind of stuff?
Why would that be his goal?
Do people really believe Putin’s just wants to kill as many people and destroy as much stuff as possible?
Obviously he is interested in human capital, i.e. russian speaking Ukrainians, and resources of Ukraine, i.e. coal, iron, farmlands, rare minerals and so on.
Complete destruction would be just plain stupid.
Obviously he is interested in human capital
Why is that obvious? These are means to an end: annexing Ukraine to extend his country for him to be called Putin the great in history books and when that became unattainable to grab as much territory and resources as possible and when this is unattainable scorch as much of it as possible. We see similar shifting goal strategy in the Iran war. Seems common for autocrats to display petulance. Your claim somewhat presupposes that Putin is at all concerned for the wellbeing and prosperity of his people and country and I see no evidence of that at all.
Addendum edit: If you follow the Putin leaning media and keep track of the villages and towns that have been “liberated” by the Russians it is worth while to see how that settlement looks following the Russian treatment and those look not unlike Gaza. Both Netanyahu and Putin use violence and destruction as a mean to will other people to give up their land for them. It’s just that Ukraine is so much larger than Gaza (and other surrounded territories not yet part of Israel). What I find heartbreaking is not the support Ukraine is getting from other countries and the condemnation of Putins actions but the lack of accountabilities vis-a-vis the war crimes committed by Israel.
I never mentioned the well being of people?
And no, I don’t believe he cares for that. Why do you assume.
I never mentioned the well being of people?
Indeed you didn’t but this was a point I tried to make that speaks to his intention.
And no, I don’t believe he cares for that. Why do you assume.
I’m not too sure what it is you are trying to tell me here.
Putin needs minerals and ship routes, but most of all Ukraine means food. He thinks he needs these things to survive the new world order and he also thinks he’s the new Peter the great. He’s certifiably insane.
So he doesn’t want to destroy all of Ukraine and kill all people there? Glad we agree
At most it would become another Kurdish question. Russia is bad, but they aren’t going to snipe toddlers as pastime and carpet bomb the whole fucking country for real estate development.
They’re literally targeting civilians every day. I don’t know if you’ve been to Russia or know many Russians but there are a fuck ton of fearless psychopaths up there. They are doing the exact same shit the iof is doing, with glee and malice, because that’s how your mind breaks when you’re country forces you into a meat grinder. They take it out on women, kids, babies, anyone. Don’t believe me? See how they’ve behaved previously, like in Chechnya.
Since we know that russia is sniping children, destroying whole cities and is going on “drone safaris” hunting civilians and have video evidence for that: Why are you downplaying russian war crimes?
I mean they have been bombing cities with children, and the mass Graves in the areas they have occupied. So yeah israel and russia are both doing similar things, but Ukraine, unlike Gaza had the ability to fight back
And because Western countries fully back Ukraine.
Yes for sure.
💯
Yeah, supporting fascism is 100% okay if other fascists say it is.
If fascist A helps you to fend off fascist B… yeah, it absolutely is.
Unfourtanely true 💯
As long as you can excuse genocide I guess you’ll accept any logic. But that’s okay, it’s only brown people.
My people genocided mostly white people, so this accusation is… a bit off
