• CovfefeKills@lemmy.world
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      Specifically Russian leadership. Without a doubt. Try this: “Putin is bad for Russia”

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        Man, sometimes I hate internet discourse, everything is hyperbole all the time and the only recognized positions are extremes.

        “maybe next time dont listen to russian propaganda.” - “You think […] Brexit only exists because of Russia?”
        “Russia is bad for this world” - “Are you suggesting Russia should be destroyed?”

        It’s so draining.

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            And again jumping on shit nobody here said or even insinuated.

            Someone just mentions that Brits should not have listened to Russian propaganda concerning Brexit and you immediately start this entire script fighting one strawman after another, somehow ending up in american politics for fucks sake.

            Nobody said it was only due to propaganda, nobody even said it was mainly due to propaganda, nobody said that Russia should be destroyed.

            Calm down mate, take a breather and stop fighting things you just imagine that other people are saying, because they’re not.

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                not your mate

                You certainly won’t make any, or make anyone listen to you, by name calling and declaring people idiots like this. That’s not how you make people listen to you. “Hey, idiots/chuckleheads/etc!

                🙄 You are only yelling into the void… Just a quick personality check for you, dear. It could be healthy to do one every now and then. ❤️👍

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          This ‘I’m so tired of internet discourse’ act is a classic move to shut down a conversation you’re losing. You’re conflating a critique of a toxic leadership with a call for destruction because you can’t actually defend Putin’s record. Russia’s military is an international embarrassment and its leadership is a global parasite; those aren’t ‘extreme positions,’ they’re the consensus of anyone not on the Kremlin’s payroll. You aren’t ‘drained’—you’re just out of arguments.

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          Well I never mentioned destroying anyone so I didn’t think I needed to specify what needed to be destroyed until that was brought up.

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            Try this: “Russia is bad for this world”

            is what I was responding to

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              I was actually going to say more horrid shit instead of just that but I remembered I have Russian friends and didn’t actually feel that way I am just angry.

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                Sure, and I get that.

                But demonizing entire peoples is part of how warmongers get us to support this awful shit to begin with. It’s one reason why my take is no war but class war, personally.

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                  TBH, Russia is a country and does not equal Russians citizen. Saying that a country or its existence is bad, doesn’t mean all people with citizenship of that county are bad. People will still be there when a country is dissolved.

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                  Yes. There is a great point a Greenlander made during that recent thing it was something about “hey americans don’t say sorry for trump we are judging you as a whole the same way you judge russia as a whole” and I didn’t like that so I should have been more careful with my wording.