A lot of people in the comments conflating “AI bubble burst” with “AI has disappeared completely”, and saying it’s not happening because AI still exists there.
When the dot com bust happened, the internet didn’t just disappear overnight, it just shrunk into something more reasonable. I feel like this is the same.
Same vibe as “if global warming is real how come it was cold at my house this morning?”
AI/LLMs will still be around, they just wont be the end all be all some people have been hyping it as
The internet now is bigger than the internet pre dot com burst, though, right?
Same thing will happen with the AI bust.
Oh god.
But, in the same vein, things will grow that are actually useful. Nobody needs AI injected into every aspect of daily life like it is now, but there will be things we look bark on in 20 years wondering how we lived without it, I’m sure.
And they’re still be people, just like now, who long for those days when life was simpler and less stressful and we were living closer with nature and ourselves rather than through a machine entity.
Sure, but there was still a bubble and it burst.
They aren’t even as against ai in china based off what I’ve seen on rednote, it’s not like the us mentality, but they did seem to favor antrhropic ovee their own companies before they got blocked
I mean, this isn’t true from my perspective. All the Chinese LLM labs are still developing full steam ahead. Model/architectures are getting updated so quickly it’s a meme amongst inference framework devs, because they can’t even support one model before the next one is already out.
…They’ve always been thrifty, though. The difference is they don’t need a trillion dollar bubble to fund their modest, more sustainable dev/inference costs.
There’s been a lot of bounces where the US stock market “lost” trillions then came back to its original point and more, see the election and March of 2025 and 2026
Could mean something could mean nothing, only time will really tell
No new news. Deepseek is still raising billions in funding rounds.
And now everything will go back to normal and people in China will stop using AI.
Right?
They loved claude in china, when it got blocked they were tweaking on rednote
A correction is something different than a burst. What do you think is the future there?
/doubt
More Futurism slop, it just don’t stop.
Tech Lemmy loves its Futurism
China doesn’t have the chips to keep it accelerating.
Or it might be more apt to say that it shriveled like a rapidly deflating balloon: over the past four months
Not as catching as “bubble burst”. LLMs have proven their use. It’s here to stay. There’s a lot of superfluous stuff, but people are coping if they think the bubble is going to burst and their jobs will all go back to how the were.
My trades friends don’t use AI, one of them doesn’t even know the names of any of the models.
My wife first heard about LLMs this year. She’s never used one, she’s never seen anyone use one, she doesn’t know anyone who has used one. She’s an engineer.
Lemmy leans way too heavily towards tech workers. There is a whole world of people that have literally nothing to do with our field and the trends inside it. They know nothing about it, they’ve no interest in engaging with it, it’s completely useless to them.
My wife’s company recently adopted using Active Directory for managing users.
EDIT: To take it a step further, I work adjacent to OEM manufacturers for industrial control systems. Half of our customers are running windows 98.
The handiman who works for my family quite often is not super technical. He was troubleshooting a mini split for me and I walked out to see him vocally chatting with chat gpt going through error codes, handless.
He found a use, and you’d be wrong to assume “trades” are safe from the chatbot. That doesn’t mean his job is going away, but maybe he can do more solo jobs and doesn’t need a helper all the time. Or maybe he does his jobs faster. Who knows!
People don’t need to know model names to find a use.
My wife first heard about LLMs this year
She’s an engineer
What
she doesn’t know anyone who has used one
How would she know if she’s only just found out herself?
These things are heavily used in engineering
In addition, the tradesmen who have done work on our place lately have all been using AI. One took photos during quotation and used AI to show what it’ll look like when they are done. One used it for invoicing. One used it to find the right parts. I’d argue your bubble in the world is an exception rather than the rule
What
Sorry brother-man. Her field doesn’t touch them.
One took photos during quotation and used AI to show what it’ll look like when they are done
… Why? How would an LLM “show you what it will look like?”
Are they using the LLM as a basis for what they’re going to do? Why would they do that?
You upload a photo to the agent of your choice, e.g. openai, grok, Gemini
It modifies the image according to your instructions. E.g. “show this wall patched, with a black tile splashback using red grout, and the rest of the wall painted a glossy maroon”
The tradesmen and the customer can agree on what the work is supposed to be before it’s done, preventing misunderstandings.
But like… Why? I’ve had work done on homes before and did not request a image… What is the purpose of the image? Do the tradesmen use the image to perform their work? If so why not model it in CAD? If not, why use it at all?
The tradesmen say, “is this what you want” and you say “yep”. Everyone is on the same page
Takes about thirty seconds
Why model in CAD? Who is paying for that? Are your carpenters and plasterers able to make anything in CAD? Such an effort could blow the cost of the job out 10x
If you wanted it modelled in CAD, you’d do the initial pass and most of the work with AI too
So the image is not used. It’s done for fun? I suppose that’s fine if they’re just showing it to you for vibes but I don’t see how that would be different from me asking a tiler to do my shower tile-work, telling them what I would like, and them showing me a meme on reddit. Cool I guess? Please return to the tiling task?
Honestly I would prefer they just send over a sample. Why get a pretend image of what it will look like when I could just see a tile for free?
And why would I use AI for the CAD work? I know how to use CAD. I suppose if I was in a situation where someone had a gun to my head and said that I had to render a sink fixture in under 45 seconds I might be motivated to speed up that process but I can’t think of a time in my life where I faced bodily harm if I did not complete a creative task quickly.
EDIT: Nevermind, I can think of a few times I have faced bodily harm based on the speed I could complete arbitrary creative tasks.
She’s an engineer
What
An actual engineer, not a software engineer.
Yeah, all my buddies use AI heavily on the job. You can very quickly create draft plans and models. I just looked through the schematics for a wind farm, all the underground work that’s needed, foundations, etc. All generated with AI
Damn… I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near a giant wind turbine on a stormy day if the engineers had vibe-planned the foundations…
Unless you work on a wind plant I doubt you’ll ever even need to consider the thought
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I feel like people who confuse LLM technology with LLM business are getting increasingly rare.
Loads of jobs wont change in the way people have been told they will.
What use AI has doesn’t matter if it’s untenable to continue to operate long term. Whether or not AI is here to stay is entirely reliant on its ability to turn a profit.
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AI isn’t a bubble. It’s here to stay. Get used to it.
The dot com bubble didn’t mean the world wide web wasn’t here to stay. There is an AI bubble.
Websites aren’t also incredibly resource heavy money holes with no proven path to viable profitability.
They were back then. Only the ones that got so big they could negotiate their bandwidth costs or even buy out ISPs made it out alive. Everyone else was sunk by the exponential bandwidth costs.
It was expensive, sure. But not entirely nonviable across the board like we see today with AI. It’s not even close.
Those “Big companies that could afford to negotiate Bandwidth prices” don’t even exist in the AI context of today. They’re still speculative. If the bubble pops before that speculative future comes to fruition, the development of the technology towards that end stops.
The chatbots don’t have those because they don’t have anything worth paying for. Ebay, Google and the like all had something people really wanted so they were able to weather the bandwidth costs until they didn’t have to anymore.
My message is aimed at the anti AI crowd. Yes, there is a bit of a bubble right now, but AI progress will continue and it will become part of our daily lives just like the internet transformed how we live.
“Bubble” refers specifically to overvalued assets.
Cisco, telcos, etc were over valued once too.
I’m not quite sure what your point is there.
For every pre-dotcom tech company you can name that was “over valued once” there are dozens you can’t name because they collapsed.
To your broader point, I agree that AI is here to stay, but the current hype is BS.
Regardless, your use of the term bubble is incorrect.
People talk about the AI bubble like it’s going to burst and everything will just go back to normal and we’ll all frolick in the fields holding hands. That’s really stupid.
Some people do, and certainly those people are poorly informed.
Most people talking about the AI bubble are focussed on the gargantuan amounts of money being invested to build out datacentres, relying on the future value of inference.
As in, right now n inference tokens is worth $y.
Investment is occurring on the basis that in the future everyone will need nx tokens.
The actual amount of x is the problem. If it’s less than investors are hoping, and it almost certainly is, then the bubble will pop and suddenly all that investment money is lost.
A catastrophic economic outcome.
However, you’re correct that the chatbots of today will survive the coming economic storm.
Lol
