how?
Since it is federated and open source, just create a new instance.
With hookers and blackjack
In fact, forget the new instance
As long as it’s not shitty 6:5 blackjack. Bring me that good 3:2 shit.
But you can only split once and no doubling after split.
that’s a great idea
The decentralized nature of it already prevents it being enshittified. If one instance turns to shit, others will be made to take its place.
oh great
On the other hand, the decentralized nature completely prevents the blocking of scrapers, spam, etc.
It does not prevent either of those things. It just makes it harder to eliminate universally since every instance is ran differently and may or may not have been set up properly with good tools that help stop those things.
It kinda works like ublock origin where a block list makes the block coverage MUCH faster. Its already happening in some parts of the fediverse. As long as its disclosed, its a very reliable tool.
Don’t become a publically tradable company for starters.
The whole point of Lemmy is that you don’t have to worry about it. Just make new instances. The only real issue is people holding on to their instances too long even though they’ve shown to be a problem. Which I’m not going to be throwing stones on cuz I mean I’m still .world user.
I think there are internal fundemental ideas behind the fediverse that, if protected, will mitigate this issue.
So long as we don’t go the way of XMPP who allowed google into their eco-system allowing them to dictate the path forward by being the largest user. Google+ was allowed to federate, it became the largest user pool, and when it changed XMPP either followed or defederated causing users to lose contacts and google+ users to see XMPP users vanishing every so often. All they needed to do was make it harder to keep up than it was worth and XMPP pittered out.
A federated, non-corporate set of platforms won’t have the same tendancies as they don’t have the same goals, the same influences. If it gets big, and we resist corporations the whole way through, we won’t need to fuck shit up for money.
What worries me is that many Mastodon instances instantly wanted to federate with BlueSky. Same with tumblr. So stupid.
that maybe also why i think users should be cautious about .world .ml and .works
because they may get too popular
Look at what Reddit did and do the opposite.
As long as we don’t have a karma system that users can abuse, we should be fine. Most spammers are quickly banned and it’s a good thing.
IMHO the only issue could arise from off-topic posts IF mods don’t do their job anymore (i.e. delete offending posts).
Enshittification is a result of commercialisation.
The Forumverse cannot be commercialised. If an instance starts showing advertisements, its users will migrate to ones that don’t.
I don’t think this network can enshittify.
Think of it like email. We don’t exactly worry about degradification of email. Instead we have to worry about gmail, or proton mail, etc becoming awful.
In the same way, it’s less that Lemmy might go downhill, more that maybe individual instances could. In which case, there are various degrees of how to avoid an instance. Leave, unsubscribe, block, defederate, etc.
For example, Meta created Threads and tried for a while to integrate with Mastodon. But Mastodon is still pretty much the same afaik. Many instances defederated from it, other people just ignored it, some people I’m sure were happy to communicate with a wider crowd.
Of course, the idea breaks down in a couple ways. Communities and communication on ActivityPub isn’t really the same as email. But mainly, email is kinda bad these days because of big actors, bad actors, and just ubiquity. Not sure how to prevent automated spam from clogging up every communication channel.
enshitifcation is the inevitable consequence of “up and to the right”, Lemmy, Mastodon and the activity pub protocol don’t suffer that.
We cant, all we can do is emulate asimov’s foundation and seek for ways to reduce the uncivil times to a minimum.
most of it is going to be smart people adding the ability for people to be able to screen out fud. It may not even be possible ultimately but it will be a fun ride until then and a chalenge for those who are game to take it on.
What exactly are your concerns?
That’s a big “if” but one can dream…
You can’t sell it to a private equity. You just can’t. You also gotta hold onto your principles to the point where it could end up hurting you and you succeeding throughout. You cannot change the layout, you can modify some rules and fuck around with the modification of many things about your site but you have to same amount of layout/design that made your site so much better.
The mods cannot be the end all be all of all decisions, there has to be something of a figure of leadership or unilateral ruling that we all follow to the point where even leadership can be even toppled with steps and amendments and following the spirit of the rule.
Yeah I know, it’s a lot for a site, but we are a lot of humans who do a lot of shit, so we need a lot of rules and a lot of ethics and a lot of care to our rules. It is that deep.
