- cross-posted to:
- technology@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- technology@lemmy.world
Since Discord has decided to set itself on fire you might be looking for an alternative. Fluxer is open source (AGPL), selfhostable and based in Sweden. But maybe wait a while before you try to install the server yourself because the dev writes on github:
I know it’s hard to resist, but please wait a little longer before you dive deep into the current codebase or try to set up self-hosting. I’m aware the current stack isn’t very lightweight. In the next update, self-hosting should be straightforward, with a small set of services: Fluxer Server (TypeScript) using SQLite for persistence, Gateway (Erlang), and optionally LiveKit for voice and video.
The developer hosted instance has a Nitro-like premium tier for their service named Plutonium, if you selfhost you get all the premium features for free.
Fluxer is not federated (yet), but according to the website, federation is planned in the near(-ish) future. Furthermore the service is a bit spotty at the moment as they are fighting with an unusually big influx of new users.
Mumble literally still works. The last 20 years of UI design were a mistake, we must return to tradition!
Unfortunately Mumble doesn’t allow for group video calls or screensharing. Personally I’d recommend Movim for people who require those additional features.
Really cool project. Unfortunately, in this day and age, not having a desktop and mobile app is really hard to sell. PWAs are just not the same.
Also, curious: hie compatible is this actually with the rest of the XMPP ecosystem? From the architecture description, movin sits between its frontend and an xmpp server. But if another user connects to that same xmpp server from a non-movin client, how mich are they able to see and do?
I’m generally only recommending Movim since it being a PWA allows it to be a one-stop-shop that functions well enough across any device universally, reducing complexity for the average user (which is critically important when on-boarding).
However, there are native applications that could be used instead, such as the desktop app Dino, which is compatible with Movim’s group video calls. Unfortunately it is not yet able to screenshare.
The native Mobile apps tend to be lagging behind with group call support. Conversations/Cheogram/Monocles can all do 1-to-1 audio and video calls, but cannot screenshare or join group calls yet.
Text chat and file/image sharing is 100% compatible across all clients.
If Movim is able to attract enough Discord refugees, and thus increase funding (it currently receives $43 a month from patreon, plus small grants from foundations like NLnet), it would likely be able to create a native version of the app for desktop/mobile.
PWA allows it to be a one-stop-shop that functions well enough across any device universally
I do get it, esp. because it significantly reduces development efforts required. I’ve just personally never liked them, and I suspect I’m not alone in this.
However, there are native applications that could be used instead, such as the desktop app Dino, which is compatible with Movim’s group video calls. Unfortunately it is not yet able to screenshare.
Ah, that’s good to know, thank you!
it currently receives $43 a month from patreon
ouch.
In the modern internet, these alternative services have to be federated in order to withstand mass migrations.
It’s on Tubu. It’s literally on Heebee. It’s on Poodee with ads. It’s literally on Dippy. You can probably find it on Weeno. Dude it’s on Gumpy. It’s a Pheebo original. It’s on Poob. You can watch it on Poob. You can go to Poob and watch it. Log onto Poob right now. Go to Poob. Dive into Poob. You can Poob it. It’s on Poob. Poob has it for you. Poob has it for you.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/poob-has-it-for-you for context, seems like a lot of people downvoting this comment don’t have any clue
Yup. That’s why we need something federated and standards based, something that is interoperable.
https://snikket.org/ https://mov.im/
There are many more and you can freely choose your provider. And when it does something you don’t agree with - enshittifying - just move to another provider. Federation: Keep your contacts, not your provider.

What
People are paralysed by the lack of monopoly, choice makes them feel unwell. Also, all the tech names are as stupid as the language permits them to be, some are worse
Seems to me like a naive reception of the criticisms brought up.
It is genuinely confusing for, admittedly uninformed, users who might want to switch over to decide between the options. There is no guidance, no online consensus, no indicator, what is slop, what maintained etc…
And not addressing decision fatigue rampant in (specifically this) FOSS space is IMO a major factor in holding back its adoption.








