It’s very true. You recognize that Dell always runs discounts and the only people paying full price would be corporations or ignorant people such as yourself? Literally Dell is running a discount to bring the price down to $1,300. Wild how price inefficient Framework is, for something you can’t get until at least October, when every other manufacturer you can get now.
Umm that intel processor is the weakest of the bunch. The i9 version you can’t even buy from Framework currently. I get the homerism for Framework, but I guarantee you that they will be out of business within 5 years.
I don’t think you get the point. To upgrade a Framework, even if you are able to move the ram and SSD over, you literally can get an equivalent laptop from another manufacturer with new RAM, SSD and the screen, battery and everything else, and still use the old laptop. With Framework, you move parts over and slowly upgrade. It’s not sustainable at the current costing for anyone except for people who are very into home repair.
Framework is moving all over their laptops to LPCAMM2 because the newer platforms require it for faster RAM, the alternative would be soldered on RAM which defeats the entire purpose of Framework, as you wouldn’t be able to ‘upgrade’ your laptop or repair it.
$20 for two drinks at the bar? Must be some cheap drinks, hell I haven’t seen cocktails under $15 in a couple of years now, and craft beer pints are $10+. Wild how much prices have ramped up, but our paychecks sure haven’t.
Are ‘normal’ people paying for that? I can see coders and those who’s companies are paying for it, but I can’t imagine a lot of individuals are. I use my own LLM at home, and while not as ‘amazing’ as Claude, it get’s 90% of the tinkering I want to do done pretty easily.
Umm, not sure if you have seen Framework’s prices.
The current 13in with a weak intel processor is $1850 (and you can’t get it until October). To buy an equivalent Dell? Around $1,000 and you can get it tomorrow. The upgrade cost for the motherboard (say you want to switch to AMD), will cost you $900. For that $3k you can buy 3 Dells all with ram and storage.
And no, they aren’t positioned well without RAM as their newer ones use LPCAMM2. You don’t have that just lying around.
That would be great, except it seems that most companies are actively discouraging you from using their website, as it’s easier for them to list through Amazon. Recent experience was the product on the website was higher prices, slower shipping and a restocking fee if you need to return. Amazon? Next day, ‘free shipping’ and easy returns.
Not sure unless the place exists locally and you can go in store and actually buy something (that’s becoming rare as well), that there is a better way except to not buy anything in general.
Isn’t that no different than the millions of open source projects that have few authors, little interest and are abandoned for the next shiny thing? At least in my mind with the current state of LLMs, if there is an open source project that you want to update for yourself, you should be able to do that pretty easily.
Exactly. Oh I have this small problem, or solution I want to solve. Great I can put something together quickly and move on with life. I am not selling it, and it’s not even needed for ‘open source’ because its often incredibly niche problems that I am trying to solve for, that I wouldn’t be able to do elsewise.
For me, it’s been super helpful to write personalized things quickly that I wouldn’t have been able to do otherwise. Are these things I plan on maintaining for decades? Hell no. But there is no current solution, this isn’t a commercial product, and I always have the code in case I want to make adjustments in the future.
I mean, Dell is the #3 in laptop sales and sells roughly 30 million laptops per year. So yeah, Framework is roughly 0% of market share. I know this is a very tech enthusiast heavy website, but there are certain realities that people should face. It’s like saying Nothing Phone is going to remotely compete with Apple. It’s not a fair or valid comparison in the first place. I think a more fair comparison for Framework (beyond what they are hoping to achieve) would be with a small system builder like System 76, XMG or the likes.
I have never seen a Framework in the wild, however I applaud their approach, but even when taking repair costs in consideration, Frameworks are more expensive than simply upgrading to a newer laptop and using the old laptop for some other purpose. I can’t imagine with the rampocalypse that they easily survive, but I hope they do, I wish other manufacturers would make repair a higher priority.
Depends on what you are talking about again, because in general Americans are able to afford more ‘stuff’ than they ever have.
Depends on how you take it, but wage growth has matched for core services and grown. Now if you are talking about education or housing costs, then no, they have went beyond wage growth. But electronics and energy? Wages have outpaces their costs and inflation quite a lot.
I mean, at least on the PC, I haven’t bought a physical game in 10+ years. I don’t even have a CD/DVD player. Digital has always been easier and no worries about damaging physical media.
Even at $100, it’s still cheaper than games of yesteryear. If you take an average PS1 game, most sold for $50 in 1996, so $110 today. Games themselves are cheaper than ever, and consoles still have major advantages of just hooking it into a TV, and it simply works.
Umm, I mean you just turn on your console and play the game. Even easier than popping in a CD/DVD and zero worries about scratching and having to rebuy the thing.
Yeah, I can’t think of the last time I bought a physical copy of a game. Hell, I haven’t had a PC in over a decade that could load a physical CD/DVD any longer.
I am not sure I agree with this. Many if not most here grew up, and were raised on social media. We saw the risks, saw the dangers and were warned, and instead of teaching the next generation about those things, we shoved iPads in front of them and said we were too busy to pay attention.
Same thing is happening with AI. A generation learning about it, being involved with it, and instead of recognizing the pit falls, they are offloading their brains to it so they can watch Netflix and order Doordash.
Society is cooked, and the signs have always been there but we ignored them and decided to yolo instead.
It’s super common. In my and many states they put ID verification to access naked pictures, so if Dems don’t vote for it, perfect materials to campaign against. The system is f’ed.
Maybe everyone has their biases, but MacOS is often terrible in comparison to Windows, at least in my experience. Hell simply things like snapping windows appropriately MacOS absolutely is trash at still.