Huh? Did you respond to the wrong user?I’m not OP, I don’t go out talking at people at work.

All of my friends are already pretty much on the same page more or less, it’d be hard to be friends with someone who is against human rights or doesn’t care about such things as I’m a minority.

The question i posed in my comment was about a societal scale: what do you do to reach a disengaged electorate or an electorate that has no desire to know the truth and is not actively seeking it out whatsoever, instead believing things that re completely transparently false.

Because as it stands, the current strategy of content online or in traditional media simply ends up preaching to the choir, the lectures containing truth end up reaching only those who seek them out and as such already have an allegiance to the truth and likely at least to some extent agree with them, or see them as epistemologically well justified beliefs imperically and/or logically.

I personally rather obviously can’t make friends of like 50% of the population of a country for instance, so it’s not really a workable solution lol and I don’t think that’s what you meant.

So how do you show those people who believe transparently false things because it suits them the truth and teach them to want to seek out truth and want to believe the truth and to spot falsehoods and not be swayed by rhem, when those people have absolutely no interest in such things?

And if you can’t, what do you do then? Because these people will literally destroy a democratic society if given the chance.

That’s 100% true and a fault in OP’s attempt, but the broader question remains, if some people don’t seek it out, what do you do then?

Yes but like exercise, intellectual exercise feels good too. The question is why do some people not do it.

Yeah, but what do you do when a good chunk of the population doesn’t go ‘seeking something out’, yet vote and influence the lives of those who do anyway?

All anyone wants to do is lecture me about how they are right, and I am wrong if I think different than them

The only relevant question is - are you wrong?

Is your take actually valid? Based on sound imperical data? Is not fallacious? Does your reasoning stand up to scrutiny? Is it fact, or a belief? Is it a justified belief?

Ultimately you shouldn’t need to be coddled if you have any allegiance to the truth.

It’s one thing if a 3-year old gets 2+2 wrong. It’s another when it’s a 33 year old. Would you waste energy on that, or would you assume that the 33-year old doesn’t care enough to bother no matter what approach is used?

The unfortunate reality is that democracy as a vehicle for progress is a failure because not enough people have an allegiance to the truth, nor have the basic epistemological tools for determining what’s knowledge, what’s belief, what’s a hypothesis, what’s theory or what’s valid evidence or any idea of what the scientific method even is, or what an axiom is etc.

They favour their delusions (I don’t mean religion specifically) over truth.

Idk I listen to politics lectures all the time, most of which I don’t fully agree with, many I disagree with outright, listening to other takes, especially opposing ones helps me scrutinize my own reasoning and critically analyze what’s what.

It’s not really the lecturer’s fault he was lecturing, if he was right and so he should be lecturing others on truth. Much like any subject really.

This idea that all opinions are equal are how we ended up in a post-truth world.

Thought-terminating clichés of “everyone likes different things” or “people believe different things” are not just signs of a lazy intellect, they are the harbingers of our doom.

You can have beliefs that aren’t facts, in fact - you have to, but you can’t just believe whatever, you need to be able to justify it, and to do that you need to understand logic, you need to understand evidence, you need to understand the scientific method and how to reason.

I’m a zillenial (26 yo) here and I’d like to know too.

I might also be up for making such communities from scratch, what sort of stuff would you be interested in?

I should say though I don’t feel like an outcast. But then again I’ve literally never used Facebook, Twitter/X/Bluesky/Mastodon or TikTok, only used insta a bit. I grew up on 4chan before the chuds fully took over so my background is a bit different.

Oh, I don’t use the algorithm. I have watch history off and only watch from my subscriptions page, that plus uBlock, Sponsorblock + DeArrow and any number of shorts blocker extensions make YouTube much more tolerable imo, highly recommend. I also archive my Favourites playlist (over 6k vids at this point) with yt-dlp to avoid losing videos and use Piped and invidious to get around geoblocks.

Oh gotcha. I don’t watch those.

Where did you find this? Never seen anything like it in my whole life

Not you goofball, the mod

Glad you got it in time. We need a proper medical ADHD community where we can discuss this stuff without power tripping bastards on the ADHD community.

Hey I gotcha, I definitely get pangs of anxiety around tasks when I get withdrawals from Vyvanse. Tell that rule smeller kagi searcher loser to piss off as an outlet.

Chrome Password Manager is easily the most intuitive I’ve found. Tons of people use it without even realising it exists. Auto synced via Google account on android and you don’t have to worry about it. Idk if she uses iOS what would be comparable.

Yeee. I try my best to avoid both Nestle and Coca-Cola (drink of the death squads is too good a song to not at least try to) but it’s tough with how sneaky those bastards can get with all the brands they own.

Idk if I feel right exactly, I just feel more powerful, I can simply say “No” to being a victim of - or a participant in - what to me is an abuse of people, of lives on a scale beyond comprehension by the corporations. I can deny them the power they want so desperately to hold.

My only wish is more people were motivated to do this, whatever their expertise and possibilities and abilities, we could share so much if we shared the same goals.

I have a personal petty war against the corposlop extortions in my life, I know it won’t stop them or bring about a revolution or smth, but at least I can be an example to others that they need us more than we need them and it makes me at least feel that I have some control, some things that I can take back from being corrupted.

So far I have:

• Stopped buying all fast fashion and buy far fewer clothes in general mostly off Etsy back in the day or indie online retailers
• Cancelled my subscription to Netflix for me and my gf, replaced with Jellyfin
• Cancelled Amazon Prime and stopped shopping at Amazon altogether alongside getting my friends off Wish, Temu etc.
• Stopped using all food delivery and ride-sharing apps
• Stopped eating fast food and at big chains
• Moved most my grocery shopping to Co-Op
• Eliminated all corporate and/or algorithm driven social media from my life (Insta, FB, Reddit, Discord, LinkedIn, YT (only via self-hosted proxies/ublock/sponsorblock/dearrow).
• Stopped using corpo LLMs, using only my homebrew refine of Mistral 7B sometimes
• Stopped using Chrome, cancelled Google one and my sub to GDrive
• Almost stopped using Windows
• Replaced almost all daily use software with FOSS alternatives
• Almost entirely stopped buying any tech that isn’t used and/or refurbished and/or old/junkyard material

Next steps are:

• Replace ISP router with junkyard rescue gear with FOSS software, mite b getting some from work soon
• Cancel Spotify as my last remaining subscription service (I have personal playlists I need to backup)
• Get rid of Google accs and host my own email
• Ascend past smartphones (already use only old flagships for less than a hundred bucks)

I feel like it’s still all just in the consumption framework and highly individualistic, but it helps me cope, it’s an outlet for anger that has bettered me as a person in every way imaginable.

Love and curiousity. For the latter, my ability to find things interesting has allowed me to look past the immediate and into the past and the far future, the details of the world that add up from countless actions of people or movements of particles, creating such wonderful complexity.

But it would all be for nought had I not someone to share it all with, my friends, my lovely girlfriend, a mind alone and silent is a mind wasted. And I could never waste such a precious gift, I’m grateful to share my intelligence and stupidity alike, for they are my diversity and a symbol of complexity as a human being.

It also helps me understand why things are happening, especially in relation to economics, history and politics. When tragedies occur, I’m able to be more immediately dispassionate as I see the causes and the trends and parallels to history. Yet it has not made me lose my humanity, if anything, I have turned kneejerk emotions into an olympic fire of sorts, never out, always there, always aware. In the words of a forgotten British punk band “I cultivate the hate to anhiliate the state”

I forgor 💀

Not a meteorologist but definitely aliens. Don’t get probed man.

What?