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  • Yes. Trades are between people with different values of the subject; no problem there. Seller values it less than buyer, they trade, everyone benefits. Negotiation is about splitting the difference and trying to get a fair price.

    That can all be free and fair if the traders do not have excessive market power.

    Capitalism is about accumulating market power, or other power that can influence the terms of trade and extract more than a fair share. Or worse distort the information about the trade so the one party mis-perceives the subject or the terms.

    The classic case is to monopolise the means of production, or exclude workers from borrowing on fair terms to buy their own tools. Or prevent new market entrants from scaling to the minimum efficient economy of scale. So that capitalist can offer unfair terms of trade to workers and extract more than their fair share of the surplus.







  • I’m just agreeing with mrfinnbean that science is to an individual what science is to society.

    My point was individuals can do science without society, but they probably will still need a language/database before too long. Maybe I’m wrong about that in he small scale, but i’d think after several hundred experiments most people would struggle to keep track.

    This zen meditation thing sounds very different - presumably there is no recording of the observations or conclusions?

    Society will for sure be better at science than any individual, but the individual can still do it if they follow a scientific system of observation, hypothesis and test. Making the results and data accessible to others is a huge bonus, no doubt, shoulders of giants and that, but systematic documentation is intrinsically useful to the isolated scientist too even with no prospect of collaboration.

    I don’t know about this zen malarkey. but if there’s no systematic study of reality, no observation , hypothesis, and testing cycle then i just don’t see the corollary with science.


  • The individual will need some way to record their observations to do science, some sort of a database. This probably involves something with characteristics of a language even if it’s just to communicate their observations accurately to themself in the future, or just organise their observations so that they’re amenable to analysis and testing new hypotheses.

    I guess you could do some rudimentary science with non-language/non-abstract recording, like marking a single subjects height height on a wall, or putting sticks in the ground to mark sunrise and sunsets across the year or collecting stuffed animals. But eventually you’ll want to record more complex data and do more complex analysis, or get so many specimens that you’d need an abstraction like labels and a card index or something.