Doesn’t change the fact that Lemmy doesn’t fit the Facebook approach.

If anything, I think an MBin client would be a better target for that approach

It is probably far too annoying for many people to sacrifice time to host everything themselves

I didn’t write self-hosting, just outside DMCA jurisdiction. You must me have confused with somebody else.

By your logic, all Emulators should leave Discord and Github.

Yes, exactly. You act as if it’s somehow illogical to use hosting outside the reach of the DMCA.

the official Discord

GitHub

They learned absolutely nothing.

no it isn’t. The old versions are still GPL. permission from contributors was attained.

Stripping copyright information is a violation of the GPL. friend_of_satan meant that. He clearly did not mean changing the license with consent of all contributors.

That’s not how ActivityPub works.

What are some reasons as to why I would want to use this over, say, OSMAnd?

Osmand isn’t fully free software. Some parts are under CC Non-Commercial license that forbids derivatives to make life harder for potential forks: https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd/blob/master/LICENSE#L39 That’s both against the Open Source Definition and Free Software.

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Baffled those exist.

Google Talk was never Jabber. The Google Jabber integration was way before that in Gmail. Google Talk was what came after Google decided to abandon Jabber.

Wikipedia says otherwise.

If Google had actually supported Jabber instead of sabotaging it, we would not have this discussion.

Google kills messaging services all the time and launches new, incompatible ones. Google did not sabotage Jabber, they sabotage their own chat services all the time.

It’s not dead, and works fine.

Also WhatsApp is using a slightly modified version of XMPP

Obviously modified enough to work better with mobile when it launched than Jabber’s state of the art back then.

Again: Google did not kill Jabber. Jabber achieved its downfall on its own by being bettered by proprietary services that just worked better on mobile devices BACK THEN.

Well, Monal on iOS doesn’t work worse than Telegram on iOS, so then apparently it’s flawless as well.

Again: The current state is irrelevant when discussing the time frame when Google allegedly killed it. The state of Jabber and its clients was just abhorrently bad back in the day. That was the reason the world moved to WhatsApp. Google Talk has always been a niche product. That’s why it’s dead.

That’s a bad implementation then. Modern open-source XMPP works great on mobile

The issue was the state of mobile clients when XMPP died in the mainstream and state of the art was crap like Xabber. Conversations was better but too little, too late.

iOS is more of a mixed bag, but that is solely Apple’s fault and applies to all messengers other than iMessage.

Telegram works flawlessly pretty much everywhere, including iOS which my mom uses.

XMPP as used in the enterprise communication product my employer uses (AFAIK based on the common open source implementation) sucks as much on mobile as Xabber which I used back in the day. I get notifications 30 minutes late if at all. That thing killed itself by not adapting to smartphones.

Truth Social is a Mastodon server. Does this count during the upcoming Trump presidency?

WhatsApp is the world’s most widely used messenger. FB Messenger (which is now its own product for whatever reason) is also extremely successful.

If Google killed XMPP, how come some enterprise communication products (off the top of my head I can name two that are successful at least in Europe) use it?

If I can follow some mainstream entertainment accounts from Mastodon, I’m fine with that. I dislike having to log onto Twitter or Threads just to find out what some motorsports teams are up to.

When you visit a Lemmy community, only its home server displays the actual subscriber number. If you visit the community from a different server, it shows only the number of subscribers from your server. That’s the reason I put one of those subscriber count badges in the side bar, so everyone can see the correct number.

Source code is protected as free speech under the US constitution. It’s a fool proof loop hole.