I wish I could do that. It’s not so simple where I come from.
Solar panels have absolutely awesome productivity from about april to may till about sept or oct, sure. But in the winter they produce nearly nothing.
Either you overproduce in the summer have nothing to do with the excess, or sell it to the grid. If you sell it to the grid, you need to be on a market rate plan rather than a fixed price plan. The market rate plan means that in the winter when your panels don’t produce shit, your electricity price per kwh shoots up as well, since nobody else’s panels are producing anything either AND demand is up by a lot.
Now if I had like a summer house that I just vacate in the winter and run zero electrical appliances, then it would be a net positive to have panels and a market rate plan there. But for year-round living, you really want the fixed-price plan, so no selling electricity back to the grid.
Basically the way the energy market works here, it’s honestly punishing people for having solar at home. Large solar parks are fine, but solar at home? Better be prepared to start paying more for electricity when you need it more.
Edit: It has apparently changed in recent times and it’s now possible to retain a fixed price for buying electricity even if you’re also a seller. It wasn’t an option before. That changes things significantly. Still a bunch of annoying extra costs to get started (the power grid is run by a for-profit company so everything you ask of them costs money and they’re REALLY annoying about any change in your connection parameters such as installing a different meter so it would also count electricity sold to the grid)
You can invest in batteries. Then you can store the energy produced and use it later, like at night time. You can also buy electricity when it is cheap for the battery and then use it when it is expensive.
10 MWh is a lot for just 3-4 months. Do you have a Jacuzzi and heated pool? 😅
For the months you can’t produce enough electricity, you buy the electricity during the cheap hours and then use it during peak hours, when it is most expensive.
Heat pump and a cold climate. Now I wish I had a jacuzzi! Curse you! A heated pool or jacuzzi or something outdoors would be peak luxury for me tbh.
There are no cheap hours in the winter, there are kinda expensive hours and super expensive hours. Worst I’ve seen is 5 euros per kilowatt hour, which is the price cap. Luckily that only happens a couple of times a winter, if that.
I did just find out that some providers allow you to keep a fixed buy price even when you also sell back to the grid (which can’t be fixed price). So that could change the math quite a bit.
There’s also the option of simply donating the excess to the grid (not having a sell contract) lol
Where do you live? I also have a heat pump for hot water and floor heating. Compared to winter, it barely runs in the summer months, but sounds like you live in a colder place than Danmark?
There’s still money to be made (saved), by buying during the cheapest hours and using it during the expensive hours.
I can save about 1-2 EUR every day by buying during cheap hours and using it during expensive hours. Days I can just use the sun, I of course save even more, because I barely have to buy any electricity, except for a few hours at night.
Compared to winter, it barely runs in the summer months, but sounds like you live in a colder place than Danmark?
Ha, I know you’re an authentic Dane by how you spelled Denmark! I live in Estonia, slightly colder, but not the coldest. I haven’t yet gotten around to installing an air-to-water or ground source pump yet, so mine only heats the home, not the water (meaning I spend a whole lot of electricity on my regular boiler year round). It’s been running 24/7 since October currently, more or less. I could just go heat my furnace right now and turn off the pump, but that’s extra work + firewood costs money too. Long term goal is to replace the furnace completely, with a ground-source heat pump with vertical collectors since my garden isn’t big enough for horizontal.
There’s still money to be made (saved), by buying during the cheapest hours and using it during the expensive hours.
Definitely same here, but I have a fixed price package and in the winter, the lows barely ever get to the level I pay year-round. This makes more sense for me since I use much less electricity (barely any) in the summer compared to the winter.
However, as I said previously, I discovered that it’s now possible to keep the fixed price for my electricity purchasing. If I got a couple of panels, they’d more than cover my electricity use in the summer and I wouldn’t have to worry about the price - and in the winter, I’d still be paying less than everyone on a variable rate plan like I do now. If I could also install some small turbines on the roof, that could actually halve my power bills in the winter too.
Only trouble is, I bought cheap roofing materials knowing I won’t have any use for solar panels anytime soon, and it won’t support the weight lol. Oh well. I saved like a thousand or two thousand euros compared to more expensive roofing materials at least.
Oh I didn’t realize such small capacity batteries were worth the installation effort in a home. Does that 1300 include the inverter and battery management system? What about the installation of the interconnect?
(I rent so I don’t know much about this stuff, thank you for your time!)
The issue is the winter. Mean amount of sunlight per day in the winter is about 30 minutes for a few months. 6 hours between sunrise and sunset, and overcast most days. Electricity does NOT get cheap in the winter, even the nighttime prices are eye-watering if it’s cold.
I did however find out it’s possible to keep the fixed price for buying now even if you also sell to the grid. A while ago that was not an option. This changes things a lot.
Have you considered a heat pump? Because they’re basically heat exchangers, they move the heat rather than creating it and thus use a shitload less energy
I’m not trying to be a sanctimonious twat here btw, I know there’s been a lot of disinformation about more efficient technologies, and a lot of people have simply just never heard of, or are unaware of just how established and proven alternate technologies are.
Yes actually, that’s why I use so much electricity. Previously I was using only the solid fuel furnace and required much less electricity, but had to stockpile a lot more firewood.
The house is old and it’s big. I live in it mostly because it was built by my family so it was free to me and I can’t really afford to buy anything else. I’m also slowly repairing it so it’d either be a nicer place to live or worth more if I do ever decide to sell it.
I wish I could do that. It’s not so simple where I come from.
Solar panels have absolutely awesome productivity from about april to may till about sept or oct, sure. But in the winter they produce nearly nothing.
Either you overproduce in the summer have nothing to do with the excess, or sell it to the grid. If you sell it to the grid, you need to be on a market rate plan rather than a fixed price plan. The market rate plan means that in the winter when your panels don’t produce shit, your electricity price per kwh shoots up as well, since nobody else’s panels are producing anything either AND demand is up by a lot.
Now if I had like a summer house that I just vacate in the winter and run zero electrical appliances, then it would be a net positive to have panels and a market rate plan there. But for year-round living, you really want the fixed-price plan, so no selling electricity back to the grid.
Basically the way the energy market works here, it’s honestly punishing people for having solar at home. Large solar parks are fine, but solar at home? Better be prepared to start paying more for electricity when you need it more.
Edit: It has apparently changed in recent times and it’s now possible to retain a fixed price for buying electricity even if you’re also a seller. It wasn’t an option before. That changes things significantly. Still a bunch of annoying extra costs to get started (the power grid is run by a for-profit company so everything you ask of them costs money and they’re REALLY annoying about any change in your connection parameters such as installing a different meter so it would also count electricity sold to the grid)
You can invest in batteries. Then you can store the energy produced and use it later, like at night time. You can also buy electricity when it is cheap for the battery and then use it when it is expensive.
I’d need to store 3-4 months of energy for the winter lol, 10 MWh should more than suffice for personal use.
Mean sunlight per day is about 30 minutes in the winter months since there’s about 6 hours of daytime and most days are overcast.
10 MWh is a lot for just 3-4 months. Do you have a Jacuzzi and heated pool? 😅
For the months you can’t produce enough electricity, you buy the electricity during the cheap hours and then use it during peak hours, when it is most expensive.
Heat pump and a cold climate. Now I wish I had a jacuzzi! Curse you! A heated pool or jacuzzi or something outdoors would be peak luxury for me tbh.
There are no cheap hours in the winter, there are kinda expensive hours and super expensive hours. Worst I’ve seen is 5 euros per kilowatt hour, which is the price cap. Luckily that only happens a couple of times a winter, if that.
I did just find out that some providers allow you to keep a fixed buy price even when you also sell back to the grid (which can’t be fixed price). So that could change the math quite a bit.
There’s also the option of simply donating the excess to the grid (not having a sell contract) lol
Where do you live? I also have a heat pump for hot water and floor heating. Compared to winter, it barely runs in the summer months, but sounds like you live in a colder place than Danmark?
There’s still money to be made (saved), by buying during the cheapest hours and using it during the expensive hours.
I can save about 1-2 EUR every day by buying during cheap hours and using it during expensive hours. Days I can just use the sun, I of course save even more, because I barely have to buy any electricity, except for a few hours at night.
Ha, I know you’re an authentic Dane by how you spelled Denmark! I live in Estonia, slightly colder, but not the coldest. I haven’t yet gotten around to installing an air-to-water or ground source pump yet, so mine only heats the home, not the water (meaning I spend a whole lot of electricity on my regular boiler year round). It’s been running 24/7 since October currently, more or less. I could just go heat my furnace right now and turn off the pump, but that’s extra work + firewood costs money too. Long term goal is to replace the furnace completely, with a ground-source heat pump with vertical collectors since my garden isn’t big enough for horizontal.
Definitely same here, but I have a fixed price package and in the winter, the lows barely ever get to the level I pay year-round. This makes more sense for me since I use much less electricity (barely any) in the summer compared to the winter.
However, as I said previously, I discovered that it’s now possible to keep the fixed price for my electricity purchasing. If I got a couple of panels, they’d more than cover my electricity use in the summer and I wouldn’t have to worry about the price - and in the winter, I’d still be paying less than everyone on a variable rate plan like I do now. If I could also install some small turbines on the roof, that could actually halve my power bills in the winter too.
Only trouble is, I bought cheap roofing materials knowing I won’t have any use for solar panels anytime soon, and it won’t support the weight lol. Oh well. I saved like a thousand or two thousand euros compared to more expensive roofing materials at least.
Saving 1-2 EUR per day with a 6000+ EUR battery pack sounds…not worth it.
A 5 kWh battery is about 1300 EUR, with a 10 year warranty.
1-2 EUR is minimum saved pr. day. Let’s just say I only save 1 EUR pr. day. That’s 365 EUR/year. RoI is max 3.5 years.
Oh I didn’t realize such small capacity batteries were worth the installation effort in a home. Does that 1300 include the inverter and battery management system? What about the installation of the interconnect?
(I rent so I don’t know much about this stuff, thank you for your time!)
Batteries, mon.
The issue is the winter. Mean amount of sunlight per day in the winter is about 30 minutes for a few months. 6 hours between sunrise and sunset, and overcast most days. Electricity does NOT get cheap in the winter, even the nighttime prices are eye-watering if it’s cold.
I did however find out it’s possible to keep the fixed price for buying now even if you also sell to the grid. A while ago that was not an option. This changes things a lot.
Have you considered a heat pump? Because they’re basically heat exchangers, they move the heat rather than creating it and thus use a shitload less energy
I’m not trying to be a sanctimonious twat here btw, I know there’s been a lot of disinformation about more efficient technologies, and a lot of people have simply just never heard of, or are unaware of just how established and proven alternate technologies are.
Yes actually, that’s why I use so much electricity. Previously I was using only the solid fuel furnace and required much less electricity, but had to stockpile a lot more firewood.
The house is old and it’s big. I live in it mostly because it was built by my family so it was free to me and I can’t really afford to buy anything else. I’m also slowly repairing it so it’d either be a nicer place to live or worth more if I do ever decide to sell it.