In the US? That’s a weird way to write “world wide”.
And you think, what you posted is enough? The abuse is underpinned by structures deep in the catholic church. It takes a hell of a lot more for changing that, than just sacrifying some pawns. There are studies about this, which state clearly and painfully, how the catholic church supported and protected perpetrators and how they actively hindered the full disclosure of the cases by independent researchers. These are problems, that are still active and are discussed a lot. And the big publicity wave was like 2010, so 16 years ago.
Greetings from an ex catholic in germany, who quit out of rage about the churches eggretious actions.
PS: Did you know, that the catholic church in germany tries to chance its structures to be more grassroots instead of strict hierarcy (even a little bit)? It’s called the Synodal path. Triggered by real grassroot movements like Maria 2.0. Though the Vatican is really upset about that and tried to end this change.
So that just leaves the genocide, a history of repressing the poor, the misogyny, Indulgences, the whole Crusades thing, the Spanish inquisition, the coalition with Hitler, the extremely problematic wealth of the Vatican, the homophobia, and the child rape.
… Because the fact that they admitted it after years of covering it up doesn’t make up for it.
Also, read the last sentence in the graphics you posted.
yes, numerous US bishops did that, thats why the pope brought the USCCB to the Vatican and most american Bishops, its a diocesan problem
The church hasnt repressed the poor, and the hitler thing was because the vatican is literally SURROUNDED IN MUSSOLINI, the Pope secretly helped Jewish families around Europe due to the Church’s reach
So I started reading this post since I figured it would have some interesting comments but its becoming apparent that there is some sort of ulterior motive here for the OP. I suppose it should have been obvious this was an exercise in bad faith since their initial comment includes, “…for no logical reason at all”. But congratulations on getting some decent engagement on this platform.
OPs basic question is being answered with valid points and their responses indicate that they are just reacting defensively and trying to explain away or excuse all of the horrific things the Catholic Church is provably responsible for. As for me, I wouldn’t trust my kid with any religious organization because I think they all have a pedo problem and can’t keep their hands off of children; their minds or their bodies…just look who keeps getting convicted of these crimes and I can assure you it isn’t the atheists people should be worried about.
Its not a numbers game. Just because most of them happened to be in America, doesnt mean that it wasn’t a worldwide problem.
You know, I don’t hate all catholics, I don’t mind the ones who go to church, help others out and shut the fuck about it. I dislike the ones who act all surprised and have a bad faith conversation about if its good or not.
But I absolutely despise the catholics who downplay and make excuses about the very well documented worldwide systematic child sexual exploitation done by the members of the catholic church and the protection by the church of the said abusers.
You really oughta do some actual research before you waltz in here and start wondering why everyone is so mean. The fact that you even had the nerve to start this thread is a clear sign that you have no fucking idea how bad your church actually is and I think its because you are either a complete fucking moron or just totally ignorant. And then you dare to argue with people, who are just answering your question and start throwing around words like “strawman” without even understanding what it means. You post screenshots of wikipedia articles that are saying that yes, the members of the church did sexually abuse thousands and thousand of kids and yes, the church 100% did hide child molesters and then you act like its no big deal?
I really do hope your religion is right because that would mean you burn in hell for all eternity and thats the least of what you deserve. Fuck you, you disgusting piece of shit.
Nah, OP will just ignore me and keep posting their silly screenshots of wiki articles and keep being a ignorant moron. As expected, its always the same story with these guys.
Law was Archbishop of Boston from March 1984 until his resignation on December 13, 2002, after his involvement in the Archdiocese of Boston sex abuse scandal became public knowledge. Law was proven to have ignored or concealed the molestation of many underage children;[2][3] Church documents demonstrate that he had extensive knowledge of widespread child sexual abuse committed by dozens of Catholic priests in his archdiocese over almost two decades; he failed to report these crimes to the authorities, instead merely transferring the accused priests between parishes.[4] One priest in Law’s archdiocese, John Geoghan, raped or molested more than 130 children in six different parishes in a career of 30 years.[4] Law was widely denounced for his handling of the sexual abuse cases, and outside the church his public image was destroyed in the aftermath of the scandal.
Two years after Law resigned from his position in Boston, which Bishop William Skylstad called “an important step in the healing process”,[2] Pope John Paul II appointed him Archpriest of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome in 2004. He resigned the position upon reaching age 80 in November 2011, and died in Rome on December 20, 2017, at age 86.
(I should add for context that after his resignation he moved to Rome immediately.)
the coverups are a diocesan problem within the US not the vatican level and it has been addressed and the clergy punished
In the US? That’s a weird way to write “world wide”. And you think, what you posted is enough? The abuse is underpinned by structures deep in the catholic church. It takes a hell of a lot more for changing that, than just sacrifying some pawns. There are studies about this, which state clearly and painfully, how the catholic church supported and protected perpetrators and how they actively hindered the full disclosure of the cases by independent researchers. These are problems, that are still active and are discussed a lot. And the big publicity wave was like 2010, so 16 years ago.
Greetings from an ex catholic in germany, who quit out of rage about the churches eggretious actions.
PS: Did you know, that the catholic church in germany tries to chance its structures to be more grassroots instead of strict hierarcy (even a little bit)? It’s called the Synodal path. Triggered by real grassroot movements like Maria 2.0. Though the Vatican is really upset about that and tried to end this change.
So that just leaves the genocide, a history of repressing the poor, the misogyny, Indulgences, the whole Crusades thing, the Spanish inquisition, the coalition with Hitler, the extremely problematic wealth of the Vatican, the homophobia, and the child rape.
… Because the fact that they admitted it after years of covering it up doesn’t make up for it.
Also, read the last sentence in the graphics you posted.
Aside from that, stellar argument🤣
yes, numerous US bishops did that, thats why the pope brought the USCCB to the Vatican and most american Bishops, its a diocesan problem
The church hasnt repressed the poor, and the hitler thing was because the vatican is literally SURROUNDED IN MUSSOLINI, the Pope secretly helped Jewish families around Europe due to the Church’s reach
Buddy, the Catholic Church was explicitly aligned with fascism throughout the entire early 20th century. This isn’t even controversial
So I started reading this post since I figured it would have some interesting comments but its becoming apparent that there is some sort of ulterior motive here for the OP. I suppose it should have been obvious this was an exercise in bad faith since their initial comment includes, “…for no logical reason at all”. But congratulations on getting some decent engagement on this platform.
OPs basic question is being answered with valid points and their responses indicate that they are just reacting defensively and trying to explain away or excuse all of the horrific things the Catholic Church is provably responsible for. As for me, I wouldn’t trust my kid with any religious organization because I think they all have a pedo problem and can’t keep their hands off of children; their minds or their bodies…just look who keeps getting convicted of these crimes and I can assure you it isn’t the atheists people should be worried about.
Also numerous Australian, Canadian, Mexican, South American, Asian, Irish, Polish, Norwegian, other European, etc priests and bishops did that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
I read the page
its mostly american dioceses and there will always be bad apples, they should be excommunicated
And what is that saying about what one bad apple does to the whole bunch?
Its not a numbers game. Just because most of them happened to be in America, doesnt mean that it wasn’t a worldwide problem.
You know, I don’t hate all catholics, I don’t mind the ones who go to church, help others out and shut the fuck about it. I dislike the ones who act all surprised and have a bad faith conversation about if its good or not.
But I absolutely despise the catholics who downplay and make excuses about the very well documented worldwide systematic child sexual exploitation done by the members of the catholic church and the protection by the church of the said abusers.
You really oughta do some actual research before you waltz in here and start wondering why everyone is so mean. The fact that you even had the nerve to start this thread is a clear sign that you have no fucking idea how bad your church actually is and I think its because you are either a complete fucking moron or just totally ignorant. And then you dare to argue with people, who are just answering your question and start throwing around words like “strawman” without even understanding what it means. You post screenshots of wikipedia articles that are saying that yes, the members of the church did sexually abuse thousands and thousand of kids and yes, the church 100% did hide child molesters and then you act like its no big deal?
I really do hope your religion is right because that would mean you burn in hell for all eternity and thats the least of what you deserve. Fuck you, you disgusting piece of shit.
And that’s the thread
Nah, OP will just ignore me and keep posting their silly screenshots of wiki articles and keep being a ignorant moron. As expected, its always the same story with these guys.
Explain Bernard Law then.
(I should add for context that after his resignation he moved to Rome immediately.)