Ideally the answers aren’t just political soapboxing.

  • Goldholz @lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    7 days ago

    Irs impossible to build beautiful citys like they used to. It is still possible and cheaper even

    Climat ≠ Weather

    Artificial leather is better than natural leather for the enviorment (its not. Atleast where i am from you are not allowed to rais cattle just for leather production. And i rather would use all parts of a slaughtered animal that had to die, than poluting nature with chemicals)

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      7 days ago

      I think animal welfare is the bigger factor for most people avoiding leather, and while artificial leather is just plastic and certainly not great environmentally, traditional leather production is also very very much polluting nature with chemicals (Chromium tanning etc. ) plus it still supports the whole factory farming system which is terrible in its own right. I’m hoping fungus based leather or some lab grown variant will bring a real alternative someday.

      • Goldholz @lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        7 days ago

        Natural leather is durable and lasting and where its used can be repaired, unlike artificial leather.

        If a cow has to be killed due to people wanting its meat, why waste its hide instead of using it? The poluter here is the meat industry. Not leather production. To turn hide into leather one can use chemicals yes, but natural tanning is still used widely.

        In a perfect world lether can also come from animals that have died of natural causes.

        • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
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          7 days ago

          Plastic leather also wears out so quickly. Real leather is much stronger and easier to repair/restore.

          As the person highlighted (and you have expanded on), there are a lot of ethical and sustainability problems with the leather industry as it is, but I think it’d be far better to improve the problems with natural leather than to expect much from the plastic leather

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            6 days ago

            They make vege leather nowadays, I think. Never got my hands on anything made of it because it was so expensive, though.

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            6 days ago

            You’ve got to keep in mind that everyone doesn’t feel the same. I personally feel gross having anything to do with leather because I can’t shake the feeling it’s a corpse’s skin. It would be the same to me if it was a dead human’s skin.

            I’m not asking for understanding on how I feel, but more just understanding that maybe natural leather is the best option for most people right now in terms of environmental impact - but it’s important we develop other solutions too and try to make them more environmentally over time, because not everyone is the same.