These questions are inspired by, although heavily modified, the game Detroit: Become Human. The game itself is a story telling masterpiece, a visual marvel and quite an important game to have been made in this format, if you ask me. Anyhow!

Answer, if you will, based on both the current state of artificial intelligence and how you imagine it to be in the future.

  • Would you let artificial intelligence take care of your children?

My answer: no. Not now, not ever, unless we somehow could be certain that the artificial intelligence in question is capable of the same level of empathy, self sacrifice and understanding of paralinguistic information as humans. Which we can never be, I think?

  • Could you have a romantic, platonic or other relationship that imitates interpersonal relationships with artificial intelligence?

My answer: I am unsure. I don’t known whether it’s a fair comparison, but I’d like to liken it either to consuming pornography and using sex dolls - consumption and usage being the keywords - or to buying sex, renting a partner for a day and such transactional relationships. I have no experience of the latter, so this might be prejudicial. Who knows, maybe I’d get hooked like that man I once saw on the news who exclusively has relationships with sex dolls…

  • Do you believe that artificial intelligence will ever gain consciousness?

My answer: this might contradict my answer to the first question, and borrow some sentiments from my answer to the second question - but also judging from how people interact with LLMs nowadays - as far as our perception of it goes, “yes”. Perhaps in the same way that I think that the debate over whether there is true altruism or not is pointless since an act that benefits its recipient results in those benefits being perceived as such regardless of its intent, as long as we perceive artificial intelligence as, well, intelligent or conscious or humanlike to a sufficient degree, we won’t bother to see the difference in a lot of everyday situations.

What do YOU think? 😊

    • printf("%s", name);@piefed.blahaj.zoneOP
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      15 hours ago

      How much for a slutty, submissive breadboard gf for me? My only wish is that you use relays with transparent housings, because it’s a kink of mine to see deep inside shit.

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    Don’t conflate modern LLMs with Detroit’s kind of AI.

    They basically have nothing in common. It’s the common fallacy that’s trying to be sold to the public, but it’s wrong.


    I’m not a universal LLM hater, either: I was playing with GPT-J 6B finetunes before all this took off. They’re neat tools! They’re shockingly intelligent. But this is like pondering a hammer you have in your hand, and asking “if it becomes sentient, anthropic, and gets a human body, what could it do?” I mean; that’s interesting, but it’s a loooong jump from a mallet to an android.

    That’s where LLMs are now. They’re approximately toasters. And they aren’t a very good path to real AI.

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    A LLM wil never have a consciousness, that’s a fact. A fully conscious AI on the other hand is entirely possible.

    It’s too bad all the “ai” were getting in this timeline are nothing but fancy chat bots that hog data.

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      I feel you. The first thing I do whenever I buy or factory reset a smartphone is to forcibly remove all AI elements. My search engines have been set to disable AI and I am using an AI blocklist to filter out AI generated images from image searches. Fuck AI.

  • Lucy [she/faer]@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    AI is a machine and a machine can have built-in backdoors and spyware, as well as be it can be compelled by its creators to act a certain way without even acknowledging it. It actually happens in Detroid at some point.

    So, unless AI is absolutely transparent in how it’s built, written and trained, I wouldn’t let it become a part of my life, even if it was acting as a fully aware individual.

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      I agree. All software that is not open source is potentially spyware. Sadly, even open source projects can be leveraged by bigtech and governments to collect privacy invasive data… A few Black Mirror episodes come to mind…

      Don’t spoil Detroit for me!!! 😆

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    If the future involves Detroit: become human level AI and robots, it really makes me unsure about all of these questions. At that point, like the game brings up, we may need to start treating them as human, and that could change my mind about a couple of these.

    1. With what is actually likely for our future? Fuck no. Bunch of spyware trying to worm it’s way into every aspect of life. Not that I am even having kids away, in large part because of my pessimism for the future.

    2. I can’t imagine myself ever doing that. Part of what makes relationships so awesome is the fact that it is another person who willingly chooses to spend their time, money, space, and life with me. Having a robot that you buy and boot up would feel soo hollow.

    3. Not with current approaches, technology, and people in charge of it. These psychopath leading these AI companies don’t want robots with consciousness, they might demand rights. They just want a tool they can tell to do whatever they want.

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      1. I share your sentiment regarding having children. And I agree on the risks that come with at least proprietary software. IoT devices already prove this.

      2. I’m too depressed at the moment to even be able to imagine a situation in which somebody willingly chooses to spend their time, money, space and life with me, but I agree on a theoretical level. As I said in the OP, such a relationship (with robots) would be at best transactional.

      3. So true. Almost all my main pieces of electronics and tech that I use, I (have to) modify in a way not intended by the manufacturer: removing, disabling or blocking functions that collect data to be sold for profit. While AI already collects data without most users’ knowledge, I hope that AI will never be programmed to coercively collect data…

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    Would you let artificial intelligence take care of your children?

    I mean, there are presumably going to be AI systems of a sort that I’d consider capable of reasonably acting in a life-critical role.

    If we’re talking something like the current 2026 crop of LLMs, like Grok or ChatGPT, then no. Self-driving cars have systems developed using machine learning, and those can operate in limited, specialized life-critical roles in 2026. If you call those AIs, then I’d trust them to drive a kid from Point A to Point B.

    Could you have a romantic, platonic or other relationship that imitates interpersonal relationships with artificial intelligence?

    I don’t see any theoretical reason why it’d be impossible, given the right environment. But I’d be inclined to think that any sort of human-AI relationship will look different from a human-human relationship, just because the kinds of human-human relationships that we invest time into are because we are, well, humans, with everything that comes with that. We can’t easily be modified, we invest in building long-term relationships, we are expensive to create, we can’t be “rolled back”.

    A sexy chatbot or something like that, whether-or-not it can be fun, isn’t really the same sort of situation that one has with humans. You can erase or tweak the thing at will, just walk away. You can “undo” things that you’ve said. I doubt that, by-and-large, those properties, which exist now, will be removed from AIs. I’d say that those characteristics necessarily create a different environment, no matter how sophisticated or human-like you could make something, no matter what kind of robotic systems you hook up to them, no matter what visual representation they have, no matter what their speech can sound like.

    Further, I’d say that it’d similarly change what human-human relationships looked like if human-human relationships had those properties. What if you could “undo” things that you said to a human partner? Fork them, modify them, and try interacting with them with those modifications? Discard forks freely? I’d think that that’d likely change how we interact with human partners a lot.

    With a human partner, you are, to steal a video gaming term, playing on ironman mode, with permadeath, and with a fair bit at stake. That is going to affect how you act. I think that it is unlikely that human-AI relationships will, by-and-large, wind up in that situation, whatever technological developments happen.

    Do you believe that artificial intelligence will ever gain consciousness?

    To steal a famous quote from Edsger Dijkstra:

    The question of whether machines can think is about as relevant as the question of whether submarines can swim.

    That is, it’s really a matter of definition. Lots of words in the English language haven’t been fully-defined. How many grains of sand are there in a “heap”? If one grain isn’t a heap, but a lot are, there must be some sort of point where you transition to a heap. But…we can usefully use the word “heap” without ever bothering to specifically nail down any precise definition, because our use doesn’t really rely on there being a precise, agreed-upon split between “heap” and “non-heap”.

    In general, in philosophy, questions about definitions aren’t terribly interesting. That is, if I have already defined what “green” means precisely, asking whether-or-not something is green is interesting. But if I haven’t, well…asking whether or not a given hue is blue or green (if you even have a language that has the blue-green distinction, which not all do) isn’t really all that interesting. You could define it whichever way you want, get people to adopt that convention, and the world would still go on, using that now-nailed-down definition.

    I think that we all recognize that there is some level of complexity and sophistication where something is self-aware, and that humans — absent suffering serious brain damage — normally qualify as being self-aware. And that we also think that a four-function calculator is not self-aware. If we were less-and-less complicated, our degree of self-awareness would probably become more-and-more primitive, and at some point, we wouldn’t have it. But…as to the question of what level of complexity, what set of features exactly “counts” as self-awareness…shrugs It’s like asking what qualifies as a heap. We’ve never bothered to define it, since it hasn’t really been something that we’ve had to deal with. You could define it wherever you wanted. It’s possible that someone could define self-awareness in some sort of way that it’d be possible for it to be impossible for an AI to do. I personally feel like you’d have to go out of your way to do that, but my real point is that I just don’t think that the question is all that interesting, because it’s really one of definition, of defining something that isn’t today defined.

    I think that we will, sooner-or-later, achieve computer systems that can increasingly reason and act in ways that today, only humans can do. It is possible that we will never build computer systems that work in exactly the same way that humans do. For example, we could probably build a camera that works more like a human eyeball, but we have digital cameras in 2026 that work on different principles that are preferable for our uses. Aside from pure amusement or academic curiosity, we don’t have much reason to make a “human-eye-style camera”. But I think that our machines will increasingly be able to do what humans do. I don’t think that there is some sort of obvious and intrinsic “unreachable” property of self-awareness that humans have that human-built machines cannot have. As long as it is desirable to build a machine that can think about itself as a thing, which I think it probably is, then I imagine that we will build such a thing sooner-or-later.

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    Romantic relationships with AI dove tails nicely into the phenomenon of rising divorce rates among the working class. And using AI to rear children is an extension of the trend where the professional managerial class is seen as the vanguard of family values. Working class will be told to use AI to raise their children because they can’t afford an actual human, that’s reserved for the PMC and the elite who “know better” how to rear children.

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      Quite the analysis! From it I draw parallells to the ruling class blaming the working class for not living an environmentally friendly life, while - of course - the ruling class hold the means to such a lifestyle. Blame the financially challanged for not driving electric cars, for not eating ecological produce, for not eating vegan, for not having children, the list goes on…

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    Not now, not ever, unless we somehow could be certain that the artificial intelligence in question is capable of the same level of empathy, self sacrifice and understanding of paralinguistic information as humans.

    How do you know that other individual people have these capacities? The short answer is that you don’t, you trust that they do based on how they appear to behave. The problem of other minds is not currently solvable.

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

      In philosophy of mind, a philosophical zombie (or “p-zombie”) is a being in a thought experiment that is physically identical to a normal human being but does not have conscious experience.[1] For example, if a philosophical zombie were poked with a sharp object, it would not feel any pain, but it would react exactly the way any conscious human would. In other words, the being has full access consciousness but no phenomenal consciousness.

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    The current state of llms? No oh gods no.

    Future state. Depends how they turn out.
    40K AI? Nope
    iRobot, Nope
    That robin Williams AI film, maybe…
    Terminator? Ha! If they survive