So, it seems like PieFed is becoming a real alternative to lemmy.
What are the differences between these two? From a tech perspective, and also morality/ethics, if you want. Any differences in vision for these services?
Say whatever is on your mind. I want to know.
On which one should we put our weight?
Edit: I will leave this post here, which is a post by one of the devs of Lemmy that enumerates some of the things Lemmy 1.0 has. Lemmy 1.0 seems to be already in alpha stage and is already testable. The feature selection does look fantastic. Here is the post I am referring to: https://lemmy.ml/post/40744781
I see a lot of piefed posts on Lemmy - are we not federated across so that we’re getting the milk without needing to buy the cow?
Not really. I think its more like everyone gets free milk but the lemmy milk has tankies in it.
God, I hate tankies. I definitely worry about the future of lemmy with how nuts the developers are
It is still important to support the better project, be it with our attention, or with our money/donations. What “better” means here depends on the metric.
Again, in this time and age, specially with everything going on around the world, I would hope that there is more thought about using/buying something.
I mean, I don’t jump from trend to trend, so I’ll support Lemmy until either the project gets depreciated and no more updates happen. I can still see everything because piefed is federated, so why jump from platform to platform every few months? What features really are there that make a difference?
For me I jumped the ship because ever since I got introduced to Lemmy, the knowledge of who the main Lemmy devs are left a really sour aftertaste to everything.
Piefed doesn’t have this baggage and as you say - Lemmy and Piefed can federate so I can still keep connected in the communities. And you can export your Lemmy profile and import to Piefed so the switch is really easy (though saved posts don’t get imported, but oh well).
Hardcoded censorship is a no no
PieFed all the way. It’s developing at lightning speed, while Lemmy lags behind as the transphobic genocide denying devs beg for donations with in built donation begging banners on all Lemmy instances front pages. Instances are apparently scared to defed from .ml for fear the devs wont support them with help.
Rimu has made some interesting choices, such as blocking 196 from default federating posts until a user subs first or a dislike for meme subs. But when spoken to has been receptive and removed such things or made them optional for admins.
Ethically and feature wise PieFed is in the lead, its not perfect but its open to change and receptive to ideas.
Why should we withdraw from the tankies, insufferable though they may be. Just don’t follow their posts. We don’t need or want to withdraw into echo chambers to protect our own people from wrongthink. Use your reason to dissuade from wrongthink.
More than just the tankies, we want to expand the people federated to include the right wing. You don’t have to follow their bullshit if you don’t want to, but segregating from them is a mistake, one that has led us to where we are today, in different realities.
we want to expand the people federated to include the right wing.
Non-nazi conservatives already can use the existing general instances. Every ‘free speech right wing’ instance that has been created immediately became nazi bars that welcomed fascists. Tolerating the intolerant will simply push away the non-fascists from participating, which is what ultimately caused previous reddit alternatives like Voat (and Bitchute, Nostr, Odysee, etc) to fail.
I picked Mbin
There are dozens of us!
Piefed and Lemmy are act-pub/fediverse software systems, same with Mastodon and many others. Since Lemmy and Piefed are so similar in their structure though as link aggregators that people vote and comment on you could think of them as the same network with different clients.
I switched from Lemmy to Piefed somewhere around piefed’s 1.15 version as I recall. On a technical front Piefed is a solid margin ahead in admin and usability features, at least as of when I switched. I haven’t noticed a major performance difference, but mine is a single user instance so that might be better shown at a larger scale. Lemmy was a bit easier to deploy initially since there wasn’t a need to have anything compile locally but rather just pull an image and go.
Ethically, I’m less concerned using Piefed than Lemmy. The devs of Lemmy are notoriously vocal in their support of Russia/China/Korea, and basically anything that could be considered in opposition of western liberal/progressive policies. This is troublesome since there is the potential for updates being made that help create even more aggressively divisive bubbles than we already have in many parts of the fedi. Those could be applied to any software of course, but the Lemmy devs make their stances quite visible in that regard.
There are a lot of tankies on lemmy, but I’ve only seen it on a couple of instances. It’s not worth the time to make common cause with them I’ve learned, they just want to make the cheap point of west bad, not fix anything, their whole point is it can’t be fixed. As if the alternative of getting a one party state would lead to a better outcome. They can’t even have their own opinions or make up their own minds it appears, they need permission from their leaders to even agree on something not already endorsed.
I thought PieFed and Lemmy were one and the same.
I am not savvy on how this place is structured.
Lemmy and piefed are like different brands of phones. They do the same basic things for communicating with any other phone, but have different features for the user to interact with and different limitations.
The beauty of open standards!
My understanding is that PieFed gives you access to everything on Lemmy without directly supporting tankies.
Tankies imo is such a creepy new word that came out of nowhere. Do real people actually use this word?
I’ve never seen or heard a person in real life call someone a tankie, its seemingly exclusively used online.
Do you ever see many people in real life support brutal dictatorships killing citizens?
I’ve never seen a Nazi in person, but I sure as fuck aren’t going to pretend they don’t exist. I do hang out in leftist groups in real life and see many tankies and have heard the term used in person.
The fuck kinda misinformation is this?
Tankies has been a word used by those of us on the left to describe the authoritarian leftists who supported the Soviet’s sending in tanks to kill student protesters in Hungary in 1956. Oh and it’s not new, we’ve been saying it for 70 years.
I have used both tankie and vatnik (ватник?) directly and unironically, both face-to-face and online.
Lemmy is established, having existed very long before. But also they work together. So unless you have some major issue there’s no real reason to up and switch.
Having two softwares actually contributes to the decentralizing of the fediverse IMO, as long as we don’t devolve into tribalism and attacks between the two that deter new users…
as long as we don’t devolve into tribalism and attacks between the two that deter new users
Some people seem to find this hard. I might be one of the PieFed devs, but there are certainly reasons that people might want to use lemmy instead and I think they do some things better. No one platform is going to be the best.
Yup, I mainly use Lemmy because imho, the whole idea of social reputation feels a bit too like Reddit’s karma thing. But on the other hand, Piefed also has its nice customisation options.
So imho they’re complementary, the most important is that they’re both decentralised.
The reputation score (sum of upvotes - downvotes) is something that only admins can see. I absolutely agree with a lot of the criticisms people have with reputations systems like this or reddit’s karma, but at the same time, it is one of the most reliable and highest signal to noise indicators of spam/scam/etc. accounts out there. If we were to remove it entirely, it would take away a powerful tool for flagging accounts like that to admins earlier rather than later. Oftentimes, we can spot accounts like that even before they get reported by other users because users are much more likely to downvote/block than go through the trouble of creating a report.
To address your other reply in the same place, ngrok is not affiliated with X’s (twitter’s) Grok. ngrok is a service that provides https tunneling much easier than manually managing domains. Developers often use this for proof-of-concept stuff or testing features that need SSL because ngrok addresses can be created and destroyed easier and quicker than manually managing your own dns.
In actuality, I didn’t even realize that ngrok was a sponsor. Or, was a sponsor at some point. Is this still accurate @rimu@piefed.social?
Yep https://ngrok.com/ is not affiliated with Musk at all. Their ‘sponsorship’ is that they provide me with a VPN service for free which they normally charge $10 per month for. @birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Oh, and to ask (putting it as a new comment so you get pung), I’ve been looking at the Piefed page out of curiosity, and it’s very clear and insightful - but I see Ngrok being mentioned as a funder, and I’m a bit worried. How can you be sure that they are not affilated with Musk’s Grok to any extent?
