There’s the atheist joke that “Christians are announcing that without belief in Hell, they would be horrible people” or something to that effect.

Sad thing is that there indeed is truth to it, and it has consequences. As much as I dislike organized religion and on practical level, would align with scientific, materialist worldview, I do think that without straight forward “be good or be punished” paradigm, a lot of people will be exactly the kind of self-centered assholes we currently see in positions of power in the world.

Back in the day, rich people would fund hospitals and schools in hopes of getting to heaven. These days why bother, religion is mostly a cultural artifact to occasionally pay some lipservice to, while one fully believes that their material possessions are all they got, and even their lowest possible pleasures should be attended to with whatever resource they can spare. Scientific materialism helped get rid of a lot of assbackwards reasoning but with cold hard logic, came the ease of reducing everything to a number. Money, usually. Worth. Nothing else matters. You can’t put a number on love, care, kindness, or something as ephemeral as “goodness” - an ever moving target which is only ever defined by the person using the word, with luck at least slightly informed by (pro-)social contracts. Indeed most people would specifically reject any attempt to put a number on those qualities as it would run counter to their virtuous nature. Which just makes it easier for those with power to devalue those qualities entirely, and with power, build structures that lets them indefinitely get away with it.

  • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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    3 days ago

    May I suggest to live in countries with a different religious majority to diversify your worst list?

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      I second this. I have met people who are absolute pieces of shit that were of other religions.

      Even a few atheists who were just the worst people.

      Being a piece of shit is not exclusive to any particular faith.

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        3 days ago

        Religion is often just used as excuse to be shitty and oppressive, but a shitty person is a shitty person.

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        3 days ago

        Being a walking piece of toxic waste is a human trait. No need to blame a specific religion or a group. Blame all of them equally, since they are all humans and they all inherited the same flaw.