Is it really necessary to send humans to those places just to get the knock-on benefits? Couldn’t we do those things directly, without going there?

It seems to me that, today, those who have the money to spend on these endeavors would only do so if there were perceived short-term benefits to themselves. That means they plan to exploit the resources, or increase their own power somehow.

I know the good engineers that make this happen are doing it for the challenge and in the pursuit of knowledge, and I know that’s why we poors support it, but that doesn’t “pay the bills.” What is the motivation behind the money? Why are they really doing this?

  • dhork@lemmy.world
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    I can think of a few reasons.

    First, there is a school of thought that says that the planet is ultimately doomed, and if we want to survive as a species, we need to get off of it. The first step is setting up an off-world base and maintaining it. The Moon is the most convenient place for that. Once we establish that, Mars is the next logical step.

    But from there, we also need to get to other places in the universe. The gravity on the moon is significantly weaker than Earth, and it would cost much less fuel to launch to other planets (and beyond) from the moon than from Earth. Of course, that advantage is negated if all that fuel needs to come from Earth, so the space nerds would need to learn how to make rocket fuel out of lunar materials, which they are working on. (A moon base could also allow us to mine passing asteroids for raw materials economically, brcause it will burn far less fuel to get there and back.)

    There are also definite scientific benefits. We are currently launching remote observation satellites from Earth into the Lagrange points so they can point outward and be shielded from emissions from Earth. But we can put a much larger manned apparatus on the dark side of the moon (using the moon itself for that shielding) and get all sorts of data that those remote telescopes alone can’t gather.

    Finally, there is the simple competition between nations. The US will try and establish a moon base first, to try and call “dibs”. Eventually, we may end up sharing scientific endeavors there, like we “share” Antarctica. (Actually, the Antarctic situation may be a good analogy for how we will eventually manage the political situation on the moon…)

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      First, there is a school of thought that says that the planet is ultimately doomed, and if we want to survive as a species, we need to get off of it.

      I’ve just never understood this mentality. Terraforming Mars to escape climate change is as dumb as a bag of hammers. As far as cosmic catastrophes go, most of the stuff that’d kill Earth will get Mars and the Moon too.

      And if you’ve got ambitions outside the Solar system, then planetary engineering becomes a trivial problem by comparison.

      I think that “we’ve got to leave Earth or we’re going to die!” tacitly admits that there are few good reasons to do it.

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        Terraforming Mars to escape climate change is as dumb as a bag of hammers.

        I think the people who advocate for this feel that once we have the technology developed to terraform Mars (and put in the effort to do so), we will also have the political and social will to not make the same mistakes we made on Earth.

        But every plan I have read about relies on also harvesting the resources of the remote site. So how sure are we, really, that we can not ruin the next place, too? Seems like a lot about Human Nature has to change first.