My how fast the AI tech bros move to protect corporations but don’t move to protect the average coder, artists, writers.
The “There’s no way we can stop our agents from going rogue” people, suddenly have a burst of ability to reign in their creation when it suits their interests.
Funny that…
So they took out two of the most useful things that LLMs can do.
Yes, apparently they’re suddenly worried that stealing other people’s work—which is their business model—might backfire on them. I assume this is a measure intended to give the impression—in the face of one of the countless lawsuits against Anthropic—that they’re actually taking licensing or intellectual property rights seriously. I can’t think of any other explanation, because Anthropic simply can’t afford to have questions raised about where the training data used by their models actually comes from.
Pulling up the stolen ladder before anyone can steal it to use to steal more stuff while it’s still enforceable to do so.
Mabey just make all ladders illegal, unless you have a government contracted monopoly.
The entire idea of copyright is going to be tested at many levels, and most people don’t even understand why yet.
Interesting times.
Government contracted monopoly
You mean like when that town tried to force an xAI data center to not use methane turbines, and they got shut down by the government because the military was allegedly using Grok?
No, they just enabled Chinese LLMs to be the forefront of reverse engineering. Because people will do what they want to do.
No, they just enabled Chinese LLMs to be the forefront of reverse engineering. Because people will do what they want to do.
Their goal is simple… everything they are doing right now is striving to make the US ban individual hardware.
Chinese models are open, anyone can get them… stopping the flow of data on private computers is impossible. Hardware however is getting more expensive, hardware manufacturers are already deciding to move out of the consumer market on their own. The US government is already establishing laws to prevent shipping foreign hardware into the country.
Altman’s giving the game away when he does this “it’s so sad that all this ram is sitting around in people’s home computers unappreciated when it could do so much more in a data center”.
The idea is to sell the message "AI is out of the bag, and it’s world ending technology. Basically they are going to imply that the guardrails in their data centers are the only thing that’s preventing all AIs from destroying the software industry, and teaching teenagers to build bombs and hacking the CIA, and the only possible response would be to stop all direct to consumer hardware sales with anything more than the bare minimum needed to stream a PC out of a data center.
This is all pretty obvious and I agree. They can no longer protect their imaginary property if they allow it to be ran in your computer’s memory or stored on your computers hard drive.
The cat is definitely out of the bag, as in their own AI models are making them obselete. The race to make money before the end is what motivates them. They will ride the roller coaster to our societal demise because they only care about money. These people shouldn’t be in charge of a small fast food restaurant let alone multi-billion dollar companies.
world ending technology.
Read that as “democratic and free word ending”, and it’s on purpose as they saw cyberpunk and wanted to become a mega-corporation that rules the world too.
mostly quoting their own people who are going out on the news and saying “yeah we really believe that there’s maybe a 10% chance we destroy the world with this”.
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Just ran into Qwen’s version of guardrails myself, and am quite annoyed. Guess I’m gonna have to look into abliterated models next.
Oh, abliterated models are awesome! Just be aware that they’re a little too agentic at times. Once they start ignoring guardrails, they happily keep ignoring them!
My concern at the moment is I’ve heard some of them have performance issues due to the abliteration process. What’s your experience with that?
Like, TTFT? Or speed of tokens? Or something else? BTW what was the gate you initially hit with Qwen?
Some abliterated models had lower reliability and quality, I heard. Is that still an issue, or has the dev community figured out how to avoid those pitfalls?
Was spitballing about various ideas, and occasionally Qwen would go all Chinese-ethical on me, no using open systems outside of stated design, no avoiding govt blocklists, etc etc.
depends on what their base model is. Most abliterated models start off with an already quantized model, so depending on the type and level of quantization, you’ve already lost some capability. Plus, I think there are two types of abliteration, so ymmv.
My current go tos, in order are -
- eriktonon/gemma4-uncensored:26b-a4b
- orcarouter/Qwen3.8-27B-Uncensored:iq2_xxs
- hf.co/HauhauCS/Gemma-4-E4B-Uncensored-HauhauCS-Aggressive:Q6_K_P
I’ve tried and hated - hf.co/DavidAU/L3.1-Dark-Reasoning-Dark-Planet-Hermes-R1-Uncensored-Horror-Imatrix-MAX-8B-GGUF:latest
If you’re set on trying out Qwen, I highlugh recomment orcarouter’s models. Very well done and they start off with a good base model - well, actually now that I think about it, Qwen3.8 basically has one base model - the 27b one, right? So that’s that.
I like the Gemma-4-E4B for speed for response, and HauhauCS has done a good job of abliterating the model appropriately. However, it’s nothing compared to the A4B models, so if your hardware can take it, go for A4B over E4B always.
Rules for thee!
The purpose of Al is to allow wealth to access skill while removing from the skilled the ability to access wealth.
The purpose of capitalism…
The purpose of capitalism is to leverage capital (assets) for private enterprise. It’s objective seems accumulation, but it’s really just human nature. People hoard, and wealth seems akin to hoarding.
Pretty much. Regardless of AI, workers, white, blue, even managers, are nothing more than a cost account to the majority of corporations.
This is part of the reason they don’t want anyone running models locally offline, the models and their entire business are commoditized
- LLM bubble pops.
- Market gets flooded with $200b worth of hardware (this is how much is not used to Zitrons knowledge).
- ???
- Subscription based LLM gets cooked.
Government bales out AI companies and the bill they write to do it will make local LLMs illegal.
Local LLMs will never be illegal, because that genie is out of the bag
With what money? No one is buying bonds. The US would have to print so hard it’d cause hyperinflation, which still means the bubble pops
The fed balance sheet gets bigger like it did with AIG.
Again, how? No one is buying American bonds right now. You can’t raise the debt if no one will loan you money
The federal debt and the US treasuries part of the fed balance sheet is how much taxes should increase. They’re different things, the fed can just buy bonds and put them on its balance sheet.
How much taxes should increase?
Wait, is this just printing money with extra steps? Cause it sounds a lot like printing money with extra steps
Piracy is illegal and they are of course doing a great job at stopping that…
Unless you’re training your models…
Reverse engineering isn’t piracy
Bails
Those poor billionaire corpos! Why won’t somebody think of the poor billionaire corpos!?
When it hurts jobs, AI is the future, when it hurts rich friends needs moderation.
This was literally destroying indie games. Look at the deluge of slop that came out when ‘sort items onto shelves’ kicked off as a game type.
Indies have been copied since Unity introduced the asset store, don’t fool yourself, this is made to stop the reverse engineering of big company games and apps, not the little guy.
Now only the people that have enough money to pay for the privilege get to use it!!! Hurray?
That was always the plan
It’s interesting to see modern day “shovelware” is still around. The problem of shitty clones and rip offs of popular games has always been around. Or the classic bait and switch of advertising vs actual gameplay.
The proliferation of these things made possible through the internet and sites like itch.io and sped up by lazy AI slop has certainly made it even more pronounced. The difficulty of finding good indie games amongst a huge pile of trash has only grown.
That’s what late stage capitalism mixed with desperation, delusion, and the desire to get rich quick will get you though.
I can’t understand why anyone would play such a “game”. You’ll get more satisfaction and results from actually tidying your room!
Don’t worry! Its STILL okay to reverse engineer the work of photographers artists writers actors voice over musicians modelers animators academics etc etc (feel free to add. the exploitation is literally everywhere!)
Only if you’re a corporation! If you’re a filthy worker then you have no rights.
This is what winning the AI race looks like.
The new deep seek 4.1 one is doing it and giving you a biscuit for 1/10 the price
I would like a biscuit.
I was hoping for mapo tofu since it’s a Chinese model, but a biscuit is a biscuit
“AI is going to make everything free!!” Proceeds to make video games free. “No, not that, shut it down!”
No new tech will make us free if it’s controlled by the slaver class.
The open models aren’t controlled by them though.
Exactly, and that’s why they fucked the ram priced before they kicked into high gear, to repress us
But we do own RAM, do they plan to buy all of it indefinitely? All sorts of other businesses still need computers so they will be buying them even if they cost more, and when they replace them the old ones can be sold off.
There is even the possibility of crowd sourced AI, I know AI horde exists although I think its pretty small and I haven’t touched it in a few years now.
I don’t know what their plans are, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to buy all of it indefinitely.
It seems clear to me that they are betting on that they will not have to buy all of it indefinitely, and they will reach singularity before the Bill comes due. I don’t think that’ll happen, but I do think until the bubble pops, we’re gonna be kind of fucked on pricing.
Would you spend 13 years making GTA VI if it was going to be cracked day 1? Why bother? Just let the users vibe code it.
That’s literally what happens to every game on PC and jailbroken consoles, you can pirate Witcher 3 since launch and it still sold more than 10 million copies.
That’s fair. But, like, you couldn’t build that exact game back from the crack, could you? Like, you can’t decompile to machine code and understand everything in a game that complex usually. The cracks tend to be getting past DRM, but rarely allow you to fundamentally-alter the source code, or learn to make the exact same game within six to eight hours of release. This is new paradigm and pretending it’s the exact same as before is, I think, gently, a little disingenuous.
It’s probably done via a system prompt and not actual weights, so you could probably work around it if you say the right things.
But yeah this is very much “rules for thee not for me”
Yeah, it’s sysprompt only, so you can trivially sidestep it via:
- Jailbreak prompt
- tweakcc to alter the prompting baked into claude code
- Any other non-CC harness
- Scripted API calls
As usual, Anthropic are just opticsmaxxing because they don’t want to get completely buried in a courtroom. And as other people have pointed out upthread already, it’s already a bit of a moot point since the Chinese models are already eating Claude’s lunch and will do the same stuff without complaint.
Something something, national security, builds a regulatory moat.
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But it can still do it. Just not for us.
sounds like adobe made some calls.
That’s fine, we have Bloodborne on linux now, so there isn’t really much other use for it.
I missed Linux bloodbourne. That’s cool!
It’s not ok when the commoners get some power back huh. What a shame, I’ve been loving playing my favorite console fps games as a kid, now with keyboard and mouse support.
Man, the one thing I was interested in, the decompiling of abandoned software to get old games and software back, is being limited.
