• Riverside@reddthat.com
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      8 days ago

      Even the premise is too generous:

      Why would the leaders of the EU—a project ostensibly built on peace and sovereignty—

      How on Earth is the literal cradle of Fascism and colonialism built on peace and sovereignty? The EU is built on neoliberalism and anticommunism, it cannot be built on peace or sovereignty.

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        8 days ago

        Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don’t seem to control the EU yet.

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          Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, sadly we’re going down the same road.

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            American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence.

            Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it.

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              7 days ago

              Nah, you’re just eurocentric and believe the myth of the European garden vs the world jungle, whose roots are white supremacy. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot, I’m not calling you an Interpol agent.

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                7 days ago

                You can’t distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind.

                The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree.

                The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for.

                Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good.

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                  I’m not arguing that Europe doesn’t have the potential for being a force of good, I’m arguing that as of now, it’s simply not. The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO and participated in all its military campaigns, both informally (Afghanistan) and formally (Libya and Yugoslavia). If we want to praise a country/region for its peace in the past century, we should praise post-Vietnam-war China.

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                    7 days ago

                    The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO

                    The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU’s members are also NATO members, but not all.