Could you have done more to convince other people to do the same? Maybe, I don’t know you.

That is mean to imply they haven’t. You are treating democracy as an end in it itself while ignoring the fact that systemically speaking large decisions, even when backed with a democratic vote, have strongly tended to side with capital. Brexit for example is a pretty good example of competition between the UK and Germany.

This is just pure moralism that doesn’t engage with my argument. If you want my opinion though, I don’t think he should have been executed.

O’Bryan knew about capital punishment in his state’s legislation and probably took it into account like almost all murderers do. It did not prevent him from killing his son. You are making my case that the death penalty does not prevent murder. There are statistics from all over the world to back this up. Homicide rates are not at all well correlated with the severity of punishment. They are much better correlated with education and poverty rates.

What you are doing is this: You are taking one rather ugly case and using it to justify the status quo or populist sentiment. What if I talked about the five times a trans person attacked a woman? Does that justify how trans people are treated, how they are looked upon with doubt and disgust in this day and age? No. There are cases where whole families are doing well organised welfare fraud. Does that justify the rabidness with which states treat people in need – like significantly lowering payouts when a family member starts menial work? No. Do these couple of cases of welfare fraud deserve the attention they’re getting? I don’t think so.

'Following orders’ is a part of humanity

Human nature argument that can be safely ignored.

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That is kind of the case? But never mind. I am not downplaying Russia’s efforts, at the same time I am not going to blind myself to intrinsic facts about economies like the US’.

but that doesn’t mean Putin’s oligarchy is finger licking innocent, or even just a minor player.

I have never said they’re innocent ;_;

it’s just that Putin’s oligarchy doesn’t need any unpaid (let’s hope) defence in internet forums.

I think that can’t be argued against. Let’s extend that line of thinking to Palantir, Elbit Systems, Facebook and so on.

I know there are one or two Putinists and unabashed Ayatollah fans on the .ml instance but it’s not representative of every user.

It’s kind of absurd that they’re shaming the place that is more or less the originator of Lemmy. I think it’s the third time in a month or so that someone used the instance I just happen to be using as an “argument” for why I’m wrong.

But in the world we live in, this is sadly not the case and we must stick to the rules that the people have agreed to.

Who says we must? F the rules, it’s not like it’s in the interest of those who actually make the world go round. Immigrants for example.

The rules in this case are, the people of Britain have voted to leave the EU and all its benefits, so these new rules must be followed.

There was a poll about the death penalty some time ago in an EU country. The majority of those polled were in favour of the death penalty. Does the death penalty prevent murders? No it doesn’t. It’s just another terrorist tool that the populace OKs to have used upon itself in certain cases.

Your logic is exactly the same of following orders and denouncing undesirables. It is no better than what UKIP and Sweden Democrats base their decision making on, in fact it boils down to the same thing. It’s nationalism.

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Hi?

The Russian interference with both the 2016 US Presidential elections through Cambridge Analytica and Brexit is very much documented through ISC’s “Russia Report” (July 2020).

This doesn’t prove anything, except affirm what I was saying about interference. Russia was not the only culprit behind Trump winning 2016, there are also factors other factors outside of that. Structural changes in rural communities for example and the aftershocks of 2008.

People love to squabble about the specifics. Whether or not people should have applied early for citizenship/visas, democratic mechanisms, about who is to blame, who deserves what and such, if we should focus on other groups of immigrants &co. I think most people here in the comments are overlooking the deeply disgusting and hurtful nature of nationalism. How about we say that is not in our interest? No matter if it’s nationalism in the case of Brexit or Swedes cracking down on immigration.

but they really should have started the citizenship process right when the right honourable, friend of the pigs, Mr. Cameron announced they would have the vote

I don’t think it’s straight-forward like that.

I agree Putin is a bastard, like any great man currently in power, though I think he’s not behind everything. It’s like saying the Nazis won because of French or American influence to destabilise the Weimar republic. Certainly, efforts were made to destabilise competing nations, but only focusing on that ignores the crises that to this day continue to bring forward reactionary sentiment. Sweden for example has high rates of unemployment.

Ze Germans are again feared rocketeers!

What the hell are you even trying to say then?

true.

This I have a problem with. The people outside of the UK did not vote in favour of Brexit, yet they suffer significantly due to it. The people inside of the UK who were not planning on going anywhere voted for Brexit. You cannot blame individuals or minorities for decisions made by the masses – in the case of Brexit a decision that was made narrowly.

Reverse Brexit, join the EU, get all your benefits back. Easy.

A flippant and cynical way of saying “your fault!”

“The survey reveals that 95% of EU-based expatriates who voted in the 2016 referendum favoured Remain over Leave while three-quarters of EU based expatriates claimed Brexit definitely influenced their voting choice in 2019.”

It’s easy to say that these UK nationals should have just followed the rules. I think it’s a tragedy either way. Sweden cracks down on immigrants with a heavy hand to satisfy those who imagine themselves endangered by outsiders.

Immigrants are a very well behaved group as long as they aren’t excluded from participating in social life. Immigrants don’t come to a country to do worse, they come to a country to do make use of the opportunity to do better. The Swedish crackdown on immigration is purely nationalistic in nature and a sign of hard times ahead for the entire world.

I would understand the snark about privileged immigrants such as those from the UK and the shitshow that was Brexit if it didn’t also affirm the logic of immigration crackdowns in general. These people are losing livelihoods, friends and family. That is tough no matter where you are from. Cheering it on with no sense of pity means that you are gleefully cheering on workers getting stomped on.

Charities are famously reliable and that unkills the people who were killed by Nazi Germany for businesses like his

No, this is an extremely rational colonialist decision made by big German business interests.

Germany has no right to exist.

How?

Oh, it’s plain old corruption. Clear as day.