Dune is like 10,000 years past the Butlerian Jihad which is supposed to be an existential war against AI and humans that leaves Earth unrecognizable. Even generously that’s still not even close to this millenia
I’ve noticed a lot of carried over themes in 40k, with the cautionary tale of rogue AI making computers untrusted and stuff like that. What I didn’t expect is how much the 1962 Lawrence of Arabia movie seemed to influence the first Dune book. That might be a stretch since the movie came out just a year before he started releasing Dune content, but a lot of that fit.
I mean… Lawrence of Arabia was a real person and his story was quite well known. Written into a biographical account in 1926.
It’s not a far stretch to think Herbert was inspired by those stories as well as those of the desert rats and fighting forces in the Africa campaigns of WW2, Conrad’s heart of darkness and well… Yeah everything in human history up to that point.
Yeah that would roughly align with the early days of the DAoT in 40k. But I’m pretty sure I’m Dune Earth is effectively destroyed and then turned into an international park, isn’t it?
EDIT: that might be from the Dune Encyclopedia rather than Dune itself, idk.
The Humans in Zion think it’s closer to 2199, but they don’t know about the cycle of The One.
In his cave speech just before the rave, Morpheus says they’ve been fighting the Machines for 100 years. There are people in Zion old enough that that might be accurate for the cycle they’re on.
The Architect says this will be the sixth time they destroy Zion. The Machines being machines are likely consistent in their timeline, which would mean that the cycle of The One takes about 100 years to resolve each time.
So the year is at least 2699, but likely later than that when you take into account the earlier, failed, versions of the Matrix before they figured out The One cycle.
In Matrix the uprisal of the robots happens around the year 2000. I remember a scene though where Morpheus explains to Neo something like “You think the year is 1999, but it’s more likely we write the year 2199. We don’t know it exactly to be honest”.
Yeah the Matrix isn’t right unless there’s some obscure comic that clarifies the “closer to 2199, no one knows for sure” line.
Dune is supposed to be like the year 10,000 or something?
They also left off Idiocracy’s date, which was 2505 according to the newspaper.
Dune is like 10,000 years past the Butlerian Jihad which is supposed to be an existential war against AI and humans that leaves Earth unrecognizable. Even generously that’s still not even close to this millenia
Sam Altman would beg to differ.
Trying to speed run that apocalypse so he can beat climate change
Not to mention the race against the bursting bubble and the health of the enabler in chief.
No. The Butlerian Jihad is somewhere around 10,000 AD, the first book is somewhere around 20k~25k AD.
Also, in my headcannon Dune and 40k are the same universe and the story of Paul Atreades is how the god emperor came to be.
I was only off by 10,000 years!
I’ve noticed a lot of carried over themes in 40k, with the cautionary tale of rogue AI making computers untrusted and stuff like that. What I didn’t expect is how much the 1962 Lawrence of Arabia movie seemed to influence the first Dune book. That might be a stretch since the movie came out just a year before he started releasing Dune content, but a lot of that fit.
I mean… Lawrence of Arabia was a real person and his story was quite well known. Written into a biographical account in 1926.
It’s not a far stretch to think Herbert was inspired by those stories as well as those of the desert rats and fighting forces in the Africa campaigns of WW2, Conrad’s heart of darkness and well… Yeah everything in human history up to that point.
Yeah that would roughly align with the early days of the DAoT in 40k. But I’m pretty sure I’m Dune Earth is effectively destroyed and then turned into an international park, isn’t it?
EDIT: that might be from the Dune Encyclopedia rather than Dune itself, idk.
The Humans in Zion think it’s closer to 2199, but they don’t know about the cycle of The One.
In his cave speech just before the rave, Morpheus says they’ve been fighting the Machines for 100 years. There are people in Zion old enough that that might be accurate for the cycle they’re on.
The Architect says this will be the sixth time they destroy Zion. The Machines being machines are likely consistent in their timeline, which would mean that the cycle of The One takes about 100 years to resolve each time.
So the year is at least 2699, but likely later than that when you take into account the earlier, failed, versions of the Matrix before they figured out The One cycle.
In Matrix the uprisal of the robots happens around the year 2000. I remember a scene though where Morpheus explains to Neo something like “You think the year is 1999, but it’s more likely we write the year 2199. We don’t know it exactly to be honest”.
So this could actually be true
Oh so is that where the 2505 for Dune came from?
A most trustworthy source.
Sorry, actually to the newspaper in the movie. And I guess it was actually a magazine.
Amazing how it got everything else so close, but kept archaic news mediums that aren’t even relevant today.
(simplified, was giving in-universe joke response)
Newspaper written by who in the movie cuz I presumed idddiotsss! :D see ‘twas jokes :)