Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.
Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union…
The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.
Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.
Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?
But they exclusively criticise said countries, no praise for their achievements. Assuming you’re from the EU/US/Canada/Australia, your “socialist” party offers no alternative to Capitalism, just milquetoast reforming at best and continuation of austerity policy (as for the past 20 years) at worst. If they don’t want off capitalism, they can hardly call themselves socialists.
No, that’s entirely untrue. They (Die Linke in Germany FYI) have frequently praised China’s economic system and social progress, while still criticizing its authoritarianism and aggressive foreign policy.
Can you imagine pretending that China has an aggressive foreign policy when it hasn’t dropped a single bomb since 1989? What the fuck is your definition of aggressive foreign policy that somehow China is a serious offender?
Die Linke? Die “Israel’s right to exist is non-negotiable” Linke? If “socialists” are Zionist they’re not socialists.
Also, Germany saying that a country’s foreign policy is aggressive is laughable. At least Chinese men below 45 can leave their country without notifying their army lmfao
So instead of staying on-topic (the claim that Western socialist parties never praise China’s achievements), you’re somehow trying to deflect the topic to Israel when disproven. Then instead of judging China’s foreign policy on its own merit, you go all “what about” and with false, outdated information as well. And that’s supposed to be the “honest conversation” you were talking about? Yeah no. It’s exactly what I described in my initial post. My blocklist grows by 1 today.
Hi. I’m willing to discuss China’s foreign policy on its own merit.
China has been at peace for decades. Before that, they had very shitty foreign policy, and their current approach of peacefully trading with everyone while avoiding conflicts is in part a reaction to that. This approach has it’s flaws, like a tendency to avoid getting involved in Israel/Palestine rather than supporting the Palestinians, but overall it’s been fairly effective and positive. It’s also nice that they’ve invested in poor countries and forgiven debts.
What part of their foreign policy is supposed to be “aggressive” exactly?
Ok but it’s fucking ridiculous to criticize China’s foreign policy as aggressive and then defend Israel.
Marxist criticism of China is they aren’t aggressive enough! (I don’t necessarily agree with that)
Okay, I didn’t really want to get into it, but since you seem to take Riverside’s statement as fact, let me put the actual facts straight: It definitely can’t be said that the party “supports Israel”. Their official position is to stop all arms sales to Israel, sanction them and to officially recognize Palestine as an independent state. They actively participate in protests for Gaza etc, as you can read about here. The statement that Riverside referred to was a response to party members going “too far” with their criticism in the minds of the leadership, by denying Israel their right to exist. Criticism of Israel in Germany is often more careful and muted than elsewhere. Surely, you can see why that’s the case in the country that murdered 6 million Jews. They have a fine line to walk.
It’s definitely a topic you can have a discussion about. But bringing it up in this thread only served to derail the discussion. And the way they phrased it to make the party appear like they’re supporting the genocide was just plain manipulative.
The Germans murdered tens of millions of communists in the same war, why not tread carefully in their criticism of communists?
Keep supporting “socialist” pro-Israel parties, you keep proving us how much German “leftists” care about non-germans. Bunch of fucking Nazis supporting genocide.
Criticise China, support Israel, what a fucking great socialist party!
I searched for Die Linke Israel and the seemingly most recent press is about against Israel. That seems to be the opposite of what you so strongly claim!?
Sorry, I don’t read Zionazi pamphlets like DW.
Lol thank you for destroying your own credibility and saving me the trouble