If all things were the same, but it was men who fell pregnant and gave birth, abortion clinics would be so standard they’d be on every corner, like McDonald’s. In fact, it’d be a sign of status to go to one.
Male 1: “I’m just off to the abortion clinic real quick.”
Male 2: “Oh nice, King. You’ve been busy.”
Male 1 leaves.
Male 3: “He’s so cool.”
In year 2000 poll, percentage of pro-choice people was 49% among both men and women. In 2006 it was 51% for both. Since 1995 and until 2020, the difference never exceeded 8%, peaking at 20% in 2025 correlating with political polarisation, with year 2010 men responding more pro-choice than women respondents by 5% (47% vs. 42%)‡.
Partisan divide was always more influential than the gender one, with pro-choice stance being 47% less popular among republican women than among democratic women; 42% gap for R/D men in 2020–2021 poll‡. If cisgender men could give birth, it wouldn’t have more influence on their abortion stance than overall political beliefs.
‡ Gender Gaps on Abortion Reach Historic Highs | Gallup, June 2025
If males gave birth then it would be females that competed for access to us and became physically stronger than males. The only thing that would change is the name of the physically and politically powerful gender.
It wouldn’t make society better. Hyenas have bigger stronger dominant females and they have no utopia. Seahorse males give birth, they are the more maternal, females cheat on them.
Only fundamental difference between male and female is size and motility of sex cells. Only reason animals like us vary in size and strength is due to difference in offspring investment strategies.
What is up with Lemmy, men and pregnancy??
Did I miss the new meta?I was thinking the same thing. First something about moths(I don’t really get what that was about), then Loss, now this. What’s next?
Luigi board? /j
Is it a hostility to some essential concept of women, or a way to devalue reproduction caring and domestic labor? Which force is stronger, more original?
Sexism is the strongest of all oppression. It is the most common, widespread, and ignored of all oppression and causes a huge amount of human suffering.
When women are dehumanized it usually relies on the prejudices that have been developed and reinforced through culture. So I think the essential concept is the driving force.
The devaluing of domestic labor is a side effect of a class of people without rights viewed as property.
No, but they (we) would be more careful about contraception.
https://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm – ANYTHING less is denying the personhood of anyone that can get pregnant.
If all things were the same, but it was men who fell pregnant and gave birth, all things would be different.
Most likely. Let’s make it happen!
If men bore the children then women would have to do the sexual pursuing. The human race would quickly die out.
This would be such an extreme warping of reality that it’s essentially impossible to make any assumptions about what it would entail like this. You know the joke about a time traveller moving a rock? Yeah, that times a million.
This here. If men would give birth, they would be women.
So much of what makes up the differences between the male and female experiences is down to the fact that women give birth.
If it was the men who gave birth and not the women, we’d have pretty much everything we have now, just gender-reversed.
So, basically that one Red Dwarf episode. Cool.
This assumes it simply reverses the roles so men give birth and women don’t.
What if we all gave birth?
In that case, there likely wouldn’t be two separate genders at all, because why would there be? Hermaphrodite species exist, and they usually just have a single gender.
*sex
sexes are not the same as genders and should not be called genders
what if we all gave birth 👉👈
(???)
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did you know grey hyenas have a matriarchal society? Females are more aggressive, dominant and hold different social status to males. They aren’t less horrible than patriarchal hyenas.
The problem isn’t the males or the females. It’s that they’re hyenas.
And they give birth through a pseudo penis that is torn apart.
I don’t think it brings anything useful to the conversation, but it is an interesting fact.
This conversation is now about hyenas.
Are you a hyena?
Are you not?
You’re way behind. That’s why laws approved are no longer named after what they really do. Who decides that a specific law harms a specific population? The same people approving them… So… Yeah.
Yeah but If you want empirical & objective quantification of harm, good luck.
I don’t see hyenas oppressing one another through systems of well orchestrated indoctrination. They may just nibble each other once in a while.
If men gave birth, then nothing else would be the same.
The systems of oppression that exist were created for a reason. Evil reasons, but reasons none the less. It’s not random.
There is a reason hunter/gatherer societies tend to be more egalitarian, and agricultural societies tend to be less egalitarian, and it isn’t because farming turns people evil and misogynistic.
Furthermore, abortion was largely accepted until increased birthrates were required for the needs of empire. Despite the arguments being religious in nature against abortion, the original drivers for outlawing it were non-religous.
Well they do hate immigrants , so I wouldn’t be so quick to assume.
You’d be surprised of how complex and rich hyena society is.
If men gave birth they would be called women
You’re joking but maybe that’s exactly the reason why men always had it easier in history. They didn’t have to spend 9 months × child suffering + menstrual cycle every month
Of course there have been a few periods in history where men died in droves from wars.
Not that war usually works at well for anyone
I’m not joking, it’s etymology.
That is actually incorrect. Woman comes from wifman (“man” at that time meaning “person”, so "female person), not from wombman.
A person with the ability to give birth would be female.
But a “female person” has a uterus so the etymology is wrong, but the argument stands.
eh, they could also be called sth else like “childmakingman” or sth
A childmaking man is a father or daddy
Then no one would have problems getting an abortion
Yes
Why
I was thinking this for a second, but the factor that makes this true is the near monopoly on violence that men have. So, theoretically as long as they still corner of the market on violence I think this would hold true in that theoretical society
Clearly, we have to genetically modify all men to be hyenas, so that they can experience the Miracle of Life through their dicks. /S.
men have the anti-mullerien hormone from the Y chromosone to stop female secondary characteristics during fetal development. rarely there are disorders that prevent that gene from activating or it goes missing and they develop as a female, minus having the extra biological X CHromosone.
Androgen insensitivity syndrome is fascinating. Plenty of people with it grow up female and have no idea their genes are different, until they reached puberty and never get their period.
I need to know more about this.
Wow real life futas, also that is fucked up.
All this post proves is that people have no fucking clue what abortion entails
How so?
Having been present for an abortion please do tell.
