I hate that guy, but hate cannot make Me act against My own interests. Well it can a little bit, especially in fast moving situations. But it can’t do it with big decisions like My vote.
He will be more against queer people than whoever the Republicans put forth? Really?
If candidate A wants you to hide your queerness and use the wrong bathroom, and candidate B wants to force you to be straight or go to jail or a conversion camp, are you really going to throw your hands up in the air and say it’s not worth voting?
Voting for someone does not mean you support everything they stand for. It just means you think they are the best option of what has been laid before you.
My actions and his actions are two very different things. If he primaries, I may tell people to vote for him against the R, having told people to vote against him in the primaries. In both cases I would be acting in alignment with My interests, for they are two very different choices. I will hope for the best and plan for the worst.
Yes they do! The Democrats’ secret plan is to be so bad at galvanising support so we vote for the Rs, and then the Ds don’t even have a lift a finger to destroy democracy. It’s ingenious, really. If they actually tried to win elections, they’d win every time, and then the left wing radicals in the party would climb the ranks and push progressive policies. But by losing on purpose, they deflect suspicion and keep the radicals down.
Still headed toward fascism and abuse … just a bit slower.
We’re in a car heading toward a cliff, and we have a choice of whether to hit the gas or the brakes. But the brakes are really shitty and can only slow us down slightly – no way they’ll stop in time.
It’s not even that. EVERYONE is harmed by fascists. Or, if you’d like to rephrase it this way: EVERYONE is harmed much more by fascists. Either way, in the general, vote blue. In the primaries, vote for the best option. And if you can run for office, run for office.
I don’t think people arguing against you get newsom he fundamentally has no real beliefs and will just do things to get more power. He throws the dem base under the bus at every opportunity and is somehow more pro billionaire that the average corp dem.
Yeah, I would rather have pritsker, at least he seems to have a backbone among the Democrat governors. I also think having conservative Democrats brings us further right so more evil Republicans can get in power.
Labour UK has been kind of astounding to watch. They started strong then somewhere around six months in it started to get wonky. And now it’s like some sort of Labourexit. Bizarre. But I guess that’s why the Greens are growing.
Biden did a lot of great things during his time as president and it’s a testament to the failing american education system and the right-wing propaganda machine how people couldn’t see it.
It’s also a testament to how bad the Biden administration failed at messaging.
Biden’s BBB and infrastructure spending was some of the best legislature of our lifetimes(yes BBB was watered down, corrupted, and did not meet the moment, but the bar is in hell).
Instead of doing full-court media blitz to advertise this victory to voters, they said almost nothing. Too afraid that Biden would reveal his dementia to the public, I guess. Fewest press conferences in modern presidential history, by far.
It’s not going to be JD. Mark my words, save my comment, it’s going to be Tucker Carlson. And if that happens and Dems haven’t changed their tune we are absolutely fucked.
If that happens and leftists are still their own biggest enemies with their pursuit of an ideologically pure candidate that doesn’t exist we’ll be fucked.
I don’t think most leftists are looking for an ideologically pure candidate, they’re looking for someone who will actually represent the people. The Israel issue is a great example of this disconnect; amongst Dem voters 90% are against supporting Israel, and yet there’s only a handful of Democrat politicians who have are agaimst sending Israel military aid. It’s really not a high bar for candidates to clear, and yet establishment Dems just keep SPRINTING to the right.
Leftists arent their own enemies, their enemies are neoliberals.
Newsom is not left wing just because his interns make fun of Trump on twitter. Some people don’t want their options to be “fascist” or “neoliberal” and shills like you critizise them more than they do with the literal nazis keeping this system in place
I have friends and family getting their rights taken away and getting deported right now I need Trump gone.
Then you need a candidate who can win. Not a candidate you want because they’re a genocidal piece of shit and you love nothing in this world but genocide.
If Gavin Newsom is the dem candidate I will not be able to stomach voting for him, im a trans person and I refuse to vote for someone who would actively backstab me
I voted for her but if they put Gavin newsom, I don’t know if I can care anymore.
I hate that guy, but hate cannot make Me act against My own interests. Well it can a little bit, especially in fast moving situations. But it can’t do it with big decisions like My vote.
Yea, but from all his talks and bills I don’t trust him to not be against queer people. So in a way they both will be against my own interests.
He will be more against queer people than whoever the Republicans put forth? Really?
If candidate A wants you to hide your queerness and use the wrong bathroom, and candidate B wants to force you to be straight or go to jail or a conversion camp, are you really going to throw your hands up in the air and say it’s not worth voting?
Voting for someone does not mean you support everything they stand for. It just means you think they are the best option of what has been laid before you.
I’ve seen what centrists do when they don’t get their very first choice. They campaigned against Mamdani and formed a PAC to get McCain elected.
My actions and his actions are two very different things. If he primaries, I may tell people to vote for him against the R, having told people to vote against him in the primaries. In both cases I would be acting in alignment with My interests, for they are two very different choices. I will hope for the best and plan for the worst.
“Option A is really, really bad for me. But I’m not sure if option B wouldn’t be somewhat bad, too. So I will just watch and let option A happen.”
— You, and millions of other propaganda victims helping fascists win
I’m getting pretty tired of voting for the ‘slightly less bad’ blue fascists, though.
No one’s arguing voting Dem is a magical cure-all. Your local Dem will not be 100% aligned with your worldview (unless it’s you in office).
But 65% is more than -200%. A shit-ton of so-called “lefties” cannot do basic math.
Biden and trump supported genocide, so they supported 100% of everything you’ve ever been.
The 65% brings us further right so the Republicans can be more evil.
Does it.
No. Stop being wrong.
Yes they do! The Democrats’ secret plan is to be so bad at galvanising support so we vote for the Rs, and then the Ds don’t even have a lift a finger to destroy democracy. It’s ingenious, really. If they actually tried to win elections, they’d win every time, and then the left wing radicals in the party would climb the ranks and push progressive policies. But by losing on purpose, they deflect suspicion and keep the radicals down.
Nah, it’s more like “-40% is more than -200%”
Still headed toward fascism and abuse … just a bit slower.
We’re in a car heading toward a cliff, and we have a choice of whether to hit the gas or the brakes. But the brakes are really shitty and can only slow us down slightly – no way they’ll stop in time.
So instead we hit the gas or do nothing…really?
They should steer left -towards ice cream.
Well, my plan is to jump out of the car (leave the country). But what you do is up to you.
Your courage to do anything will help in the long run.
Please at least consider the option that helps some others.
It’s not even that. EVERYONE is harmed by fascists. Or, if you’d like to rephrase it this way: EVERYONE is harmed much more by fascists. Either way, in the general, vote blue. In the primaries, vote for the best option. And if you can run for office, run for office.
He’s against all people who aren’t Gavin Newsom. He’s clearly a snake
People said that about Harris too. You see how that’s going, yes?
Single issue voting is how fascists win.
Voting is how fascists win.
This won’t be fixed by voting. It never could have been and it never will be.
I’m just quoting the stupidest thing I’ve read this week for posterity.
Peak BlueMAGA voter outreach
Am I wrong?
Well, I don’t know here, let’s fucking use a brain cell or two.
Arguably, sure, facists win because people vote for them.
And do you know how facists lose? PEOPLE VOTE FOR NOT-FASCISTS.
So what you said was true and also the most useless fucking worthless statement I’ve read all week.
After all, the entire fucking point here is STOP VOTING FOR FASCISTS.
Historically speaking, when have fascists ever been voted out of power?
Username checks out.
If only everyone on Lemmy were this intelligent lol
I don’t think people arguing against you get newsom he fundamentally has no real beliefs and will just do things to get more power. He throws the dem base under the bus at every opportunity and is somehow more pro billionaire that the average corp dem.
Yeah, I would rather have pritsker, at least he seems to have a backbone among the Democrat governors. I also think having conservative Democrats brings us further right so more evil Republicans can get in power.
If it was a race between Gavin Newsom and JD Vance I’d vote Newsom in an instant.
I agree but it’s like asking “where would you like to be stabbed?”
For any Democrat trying to “move to the center” I’d like to point towards Labour in UK and ask them how that’s going.
Thankfully 2028 is a political lifetime away and Newsom might not even be relevant.
Labour UK has been kind of astounding to watch. They started strong then somewhere around six months in it started to get wonky. And now it’s like some sort of Labourexit. Bizarre. But I guess that’s why the Greens are growing.
Newsom would do good things for the country and the world just like Harris or even Biden 2.0 would have.
Newsom would tell the base to fuck off while funding ICE and war, guaranteeing republican victories in 2030 and 32. He would be a Biden 2.0.
Biden did a lot of great things during his time as president and it’s a testament to the failing american education system and the right-wing propaganda machine how people couldn’t see it.
He also enabled genocide in Palestine and set the stage for Trump to win
All in all, a net negative to the world.
Dumb shit americans voting Trump or third party brought Trump into power.
That’s like saying the fever is what’s making you feel bad.
Like, sure. But you’re blaming the symptom not the cause. It’s the virus that did it.
Wagging your finger at those disillusioned by Dems being shit clearly hasn’t worked multiple times now. Maybe we should try something else.
It’s also a testament to how bad the Biden administration failed at messaging.
Biden’s BBB and infrastructure spending was some of the best legislature of our lifetimes(yes BBB was watered down, corrupted, and did not meet the moment, but the bar is in hell).
Instead of doing full-court media blitz to advertise this victory to voters, they said almost nothing. Too afraid that Biden would reveal his dementia to the public, I guess. Fewest press conferences in modern presidential history, by far.
“Hitler made the trains run on time”
It’s not going to be JD. Mark my words, save my comment, it’s going to be Tucker Carlson. And if that happens and Dems haven’t changed their tune we are absolutely fucked.
If that happens and leftists are still their own biggest enemies with their pursuit of an ideologically pure candidate that doesn’t exist we’ll be fucked.
I don’t think most leftists are looking for an ideologically pure candidate, they’re looking for someone who will actually represent the people. The Israel issue is a great example of this disconnect; amongst Dem voters 90% are against supporting Israel, and yet there’s only a handful of Democrat politicians who have are agaimst sending Israel military aid. It’s really not a high bar for candidates to clear, and yet establishment Dems just keep SPRINTING to the right.
Leftists arent their own enemies, their enemies are neoliberals.
The only thing leftists do more than infighting is repeating right-wing propaganda.
Newsom is not left wing just because his interns make fun of Trump on twitter. Some people don’t want their options to be “fascist” or “neoliberal” and shills like you critizise them more than they do with the literal nazis keeping this system in place
I have friends and family getting their rights taken away and getting deported right now I need Trump gone.
If that makes me a shill so be it.
Start a party that has a chance then start lecturing about changing the system.
Then you need a candidate who can win. Not a candidate you want because they’re a genocidal piece of shit and you love nothing in this world but genocide.
Just like last time
That’s because yOu LoVe tEh GeNoSiiiiiDe!!11!
I, however, am SO much smarter and better than you. I choose to let trump win.
. . . Wait how was this supposed to work again?
You downplay opposition to your only policy. Because, and this is the only true thing about you or any centrist: YOU. LOVE. GENOCIDE.
Gavin running for president might flip California red lol. He is hated here across the political spectrum.
If Gavin Newsom is the dem candidate I will not be able to stomach voting for him, im a trans person and I refuse to vote for someone who would actively backstab me