Obviously you can kind of but its extremely difficult (for those pedantic commentators I foresee)
as someone who economizeds and belt tightens like no ones business you also can’t out austere lack of income.
You can’t logic a person out of a position that they didn’t logic themselves in to
Relatedly, you can lead your boss to the facts but you still can’t make him think.
Definitely. But unions are the cure for that one
You can’t out-reason an idiot.
never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience
Nah this one isn’t true. I logiced myself out of religion.
“someone” doesn’t include yourself. the more general version is that you can’t change other people’s opinions, only give them information that makes them think about them.
Did you perhaps logic yourself into religion first?
More seriously, yeah, same here. Logiced myself out of indoctrination.
Not really how religion works but okay.
What do you mean?
I think we have a fundamental disagreement on what faith is and how logic is applied to it. Thats alright. I don’t want to argue a moot point.
You don’t need to argue anything. You made a claim, that “this is not how religion works” and I would like to understand what you mean by that.
Not OP but I’ll try to hop in.
How do you deal with non-empirical questions?
While religion isn’t the only solution science definitely won’t help and logic can only tell you if structure of thought is true but not its premise content.
So, your are left with 3 options:
- Ignore them an go about your life
- Pick some faith based belief structure to assist in answering them
- attempt to use science/logic with no faith based belief structure so your assumptions are entirely you and thus functionally creating your own personal religion
I wasn’t religious because I had non-empirical questions, I was religious because someone taught me that there was a God when I was young and impressionable. So me logicing myself out of religion wasn’t finding answers for such a question but instead was just concluding that the christian God is not real and that I had no reason to believe any other Gods were real either.
This is the exact wrong place to try and have a discussion about religious beliefs. Regardless of what I say it will be downvoted to hell or taken in bad faith. I’m not interested in either. Whatever you believe and why is absolutely fine for you. In no way would anything I say convert you to my way of thinking nor would I necessarily want to. I’d also need a way more detailed explanation of how you logic-ed your way out of all religion to even understand where we disagree. I would have said the same thing if you said you faith-ed your way out of believing in science. That’s not really how faith or science work.
This is the exact wrong place to try and have a discussion about religious beliefs.
You started one though
Good one
You cant polish a turd.
Except this one is actually false, you can in fact polish a turd. Here’s the Mythbusters clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI
In the literal sense it can become shiny but you still dealing with shit.
It’s possible to be penny smart yet dollar stupid
There’s actually a saying about that: “penny-wise and pound-foolish.”
Some people have more dollars than sense.
You can’t outrun a radio.
If the police are chasing you for whatever reason, raw speed is not enough to make a getaway. They’ll just call for reinforcements to block the road ahead of you, or try to funnel you towards a spike strip/dead-end/etc.
Or if they’re smart, they let you think you’ve gotten away, tail you from afar, then swoop in to make their arrest once it’s safe.
At the very least, they radio your description to dispatch, so now every cop in the area is on the lookout for you.
“The market can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent!”
I absolutely used to run enough to out run my bad diet!
It only became a problem when I got injured and couldn’t run for several months :P
Yeah. After I sobered up I went through about 3 years of intense training (may have had a hyperfixation) … I was down to an A-cup, just lean muscle and bone. After a normal training session I’d get the greasiest half-pound double cheeseburger with bacon money could buy.
These days I look at a stick of celery wrong and put on weight :-/
Had a friend training for Iron Man. He’d do like 15 mile bike in to work (and back), 5 mile run at lunch, and swim in the evening. Dude would eat sticks of butter straight out of the refrigerator for lunch. I couldn’t watch.
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Yeah, I looked like a piece of leather wrapped around a stick when I was training that hard. And I pretty much just lived on takeout
And yeah, 10 years later, older, no longer anywhere near that fit, and even as I train for a half marathon, it’s hard to shift my weight to where I want it to be for my race
Well done for taking on a half marathon!
I’m just trying to keep my old baby bulge in check, lol
Yeah, but the saying is usually told to fat people. It is very unlikely that a fat person has enough endurance to burn 4,000+ calories a day via physical activity.
It’s still possible to build up endurance even while fat, if you never got completely sedentary or if you take the time to build it back up. But if you’re too fat there comes a point where physical activity starts becoming dangerous without proper guidance - and if you have that then you’re probably looking into your diet too.
Yeah, it works as a general rule of thumb but there are nuances. Running 2km or 1 mile burns roughly 100 calories.
If you were burning 100 calories running per day, and consuming just as many calories each day as you were burning, the lack of running puts you at a 100 calorie daily surplus without a change in diet. That translates to an annual surplus of 36,500 calories, which will likely gain you about 10 pounds of body fat in that year.
Simple solution in that situation is to eat 100 fewer calories per day, if you can (or however much else you estimate you were burning). 100 calories is half a candy bar, half a bottle of soda, skipping sugar in your coffee/tea, etc. If the injury was specifically a leg injury, can also supplement with cardio exercises that only work the upper body and don’t require your legs, if desired.
When I was marathon training I found that eating enough calories was a matter of meal timing, simply because I didn’t have the stomach to be able to eat that much in a single sitting.
With training a total of 50 miles (80 km) per week at a body weight of 190 lbs (85 kg), that’s basically 6700 calories per week of direct energy expenditure, maybe another 1000 calories of excess post-exercise energy expenditure. That’s 7700 calories per week from running, which allows you to add a whole 1100 calories per day to your diet, plus the amount you’d normally need for day to day.
With intense exercise, there’s a lot of room to work with.
That’s one of the reasons I ended up eating like trash. Fatty foods are calories dense foods, and that made it easier to get enough calories in a single meal, rather than trying to eat enough food throughout the day that wasn’t as calorie dense.
I won’t pretend that was the only reason I ate like trash, but it was definitely a part of it
Then you weren’t eating enough ice cream 😉 on average a mile run is 100 to 150 calories burned. Eat one pint of Ben and Jerry’s and you’re looking at 10ish miles to burn that off if you’re not in caloric defecit. Like I said it’s technically possible but by disagreeing you’re really just being pedantic. If your body’s ideal caloric intake should be 2000 calories to maintain your weight, eating 3000 a day (which is easy) means ten miles run a day.
I wasn’t trying to be pedantic as such. It’s just that I found fitness when I was on a path to trying to bring my body fat down to a level I was happier with. I had originally though “losing weight” was healthy, but then I read that being active is more beneficial than losing weight, so I thought I needed to include a bit of fitness training in there.
And then when I started running, to my great surprise, I found out that I loved it, and I kept running. I ended up SUPER SUPER in to running. And one of the things that I discovered was that after a period of trying to watch how much I eat, when my training peaked, I was often struggling to get enough calories to match my burn.
And I often joked to myself back then that if I’d have known I could have outrun my bad diet, I’d have started there :P
But in all seriousness, as you said, it’s not possible to sustain. Age, injury, decreased training levels, eventually, something happens and your calorie burn returns to more regular levels, and then you’re not outrunning it anymore
Literally impossible, but ok
It isn’t. Bad diet can mean a lot of different things. If you are only eating a little extra kcal then exercise could compensate for that. Obviously unless you run a marathon a day you won’t escape eating an entire cake every day.
If you’re being a pedant, sure. But of course everyone knows what “bad diet” actually means
What does it mean then?
You’re literally being pedantic. You do know this, don’t you?
But of course everyone knows what “bad diet” actually means
I genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about
5000 calories a day of any food, any reasonable person with absolutely barebone nutritional education knows this. Idk if everyone is just trolling that other dude or what’s happening.
Eh, I look at it more as who you’re going to be telling this to. Someone who is fat and starting exercise is never going to have the endurance to burn off their caloric intake. They need to reduce their caloric intake so that their body can physically handle exercise.
But a lot of high caliber athletes have trash diets because caloric intake trumps nutrient needs. It is also the reason why a lot of athletes get fat if they stop exercising since they are used to the trash diets and can no longer burn it off.
Eh, I look at it more as who you’re going to be telling this to. Someone who is fat and starting exercise is never going to have the endurance to burn off their caloric intake.
It depends on your timing. In 18 months, I went from obese to able to run 5km in under 20 minutes.
It is also the reason why a lot of athletes get fat if they stop exercising since they are used to the trash diets and can no longer burn it off.
And that’s exactly what happened to me when I got injured!
Usain Bolt ate 100 chicken nuggets per day at the Olympics. Does 100 chicken nuggets sound like a good diet?
I think the point is about long term consequences, not short-term. Young bodies are good at adapting but, the abuse catches up in later years. It takes getting old to drive that point home for most people, though.
You win goofiest comment of the day
It really wasn’t. My body fat levels were athlete level low, my heart health was good and my cholesterol’s were good. Though I don’t know how much of that was related to my running to be fair
If they can’t change themselves, you can’t change them either.
You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped
Found this the hard way multiple times. Some people just want to feel bad about themselves and want others to pity them. They’ll listen to advice, but they won’t take it. If you stop they’ll manipulate and make you feel guilty, but you have to know when to walk away.
You can bring the horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
I sometimes use that as a metaphor.
I heard this as: “You can’t wake someone who’s pretending to be asleep.”
Far enough
You can unscrew a light bulb, but not a pregnant woman
you can tune a piano, but you can’t tuna fish!
Fantastic
You can also unscrew a screw but not twice in a row unless you have two
What the fuck, it rhymes
Technically you can unscrew a screw twice in a row by covering it in something that can harden but won’t grip it too hard. Once the material has hardened, the screw can be unscrewed without having been screwed in.
If only I could achieve your screwing prowess my gf would finally cum
It’s extremely difficult for those with no self-discipline.
A self-help book can’t help you if you don’t read it.
My mother had stacks of these that she never read. Like the act of buying the book would somehow make everything better.
You can out train a bad diet, though. It’s called body recomp.
I’ve traded 30lb of fat for muscle without touching my diet. It really wasn’t difficult.
The catch is that it’s not a quick method
I dunno what you did but I thought a recomp was losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time? That requires lowering fat intake, reducing calories and increasing protein. A recomp is the opposite of eating bad?
Recomp happens at maintenance calories.
Caloric deficit is simply a cut, not a recomp.
In both cases the amount of muscle you can put on depends on how new you are to training and or if you’ve previously trained and are coming back from a long break. If you have been at it for a good period of time then recomps are not ideal, you’ll see better results faster from bulk/cut cycles.
It is losing fat and gaining muscle, but you don’t have to change your diet for it to happen. Eating better makes it go quicker and easier, for sure. But in the absence of metabolic disorders your body will burn fat to get the energy it needs to build muscle. Your protein intake really doesn’t need to be very high.
You’d also be at a calorie deficit any time you exercised if you’re not supplementing the expenditure, and depending on the workout it can be a large deficit. I have HIIT workouts that can burn upwards of 800 kCal an hour.
The downside is that you will eventually plateau with this method, so if you’re very overweight you’ll need to change your diet at some point. But if you’re not significantly overweight (like me this time around) converting ~15% of your body fat to muscle should be obtainable just through lifting.
The great part about building muscles before you go on a deficit is that your BMR will be decently higher, meaning you can eat more than you would otherwise since muscles require more calories than fat to exist.
You can’t overpower bad technique.
I’ve trained in lots of martial arts, this is one of those catch phrases people like to throw around a lot there, but it’s only true if you normalize for strength.
I remember a long while back my SiL went to some BJJ classes, and she was going on and on about how it was great because with those techniques strength didn’t mattered and she was learning how to defend herself against much more strong opponents. I told her something among the lines of “that’s great and all, but don’t get overconfident, BJJ only works if the opponent is in a similar weight category, a kick to the nuts is a lot more effective in real life”, she didn’t believe me, so I asked her to get me in something she had learned, she went for an arm lock, I ensured she had grabbed me correctly and then I stood up carrying her up with me. Yeah, BJJ is great and everyone should learn a little bit, but technique doesn’t matter for shit if your opponent can lift you with one arm. Also no, I’m not superman, my SiL is very petite.
That’s not the same thing, though.
You didn’t overpower your own bad technique.
You overpowered her good technique, and presumably did so using good technique of your own.
You’re correct, I misread as “you can’t overpower technique” to mean good technique triumphs over brute strength. Yeah, her technique was good, I just stood up, she weighs less than half my body weight so no technique needed.
So many exceptions to that one that it’s useless. You absolutely can overpower bad technique in a lot of situations.
Go watch idiots break car windows in rescues. If you smash it hard enough, it will eventually break. Whereas a small tap with a sharp object in a corner can crack it with almost no force at all.
You’re safe from my pedantry for now OP.
