I hope everyone who wants to be on permanent DST experiences an eternity of the first day of spring forward, never rested again
people hate DST?(tbh i live in a country where we dont use DST)
I want us to go in the direction Canada is going with that. It should be the same time in Washington and Oregon that it is in BC
Oh my state passed a law abolishing it but the federal government stopped it. You want to know why? You want to know the stupid reason why the federal government won’t abolish daylight savings? Because polling indicates that half of the people want it gone forever and everybody else wants it there forever.
They literally can’t decide whether to always have the clock one way or the other, so we get to split the difference. I don’t fucking care. Just pick one and stick with it. Everybody has electric lights anyway, it’s the 21st century, we need to move on from this 1700s bullshit.
Exactly, most of us don’t care but there are jobs where it matters, so go with what’s best for them. Construction maybe? Either way, we don’t need majority opinion here.
I’d settle for the half hour
Daylight Saving Time (not Savings). Most people get this wrong and I’m not sure why.
Just changing it to noun form, you have a savings account not saving account. Coupons bring you savings on purchases.
We pretty much just use the word saving for computer files, healthcare when saving a life, and fictional heroes. I guess most people don’t think of it as an action to save daylight.
Intentionally, to bother people who are persnicks about it
I do that alot.
I don’t care which way they go. Hell, split the difference and move us to a 30 minute offset if you can’t make up your minds. Just stop changing the bloody clocks twice a year. Please!
No! Split the difference the other way! Make us jump two hours! Show us all how detrimental daylight savings is! Burn motherfucking greenwich to the ground! Or at least let me get some sleep!
EXACTLY what I always say.
If only there was a standard.
This is the way.
Step one: agree that fucking with the clocks is really stupid and codify it into law
Step two: start arguing about which time zone is the “right one”
If you try to do both at the same time, step two prevents both
Great, with scientific evidence backing this we are fucked for ever getting this changed. What we really need is a rising passively racist influencer to get behind the idea to get any support in 2026.
Better yet hopefully we can get a child rapist or two to support ending dst then Trump will mandate it via executive order
Yep, we’ll probably increase it to 6x a year in retaliation for those eggheads trying to tell us what to do. That’ll show’em.
Daylight Saving Time just needs to be completely eradicated, it makes no sense in the modern day. The problem is that you have this disagreement over “which” time should be the default, either standard time or daylight time (which Canada/the US spend more of the year in than not).
IMO it should just be standard time, emphasis on the word “standard”. If you want more daylight hours in the evening for events and such, just start things an hour earlier.
I’m sure everyone’s bosses will be accommodating
It’s also dependent on where you live. Someone living on the easternmost part of a time zone is going to tend to want DST over standard as compared to someone living on the westernmost part. I live in the easternmost part of the Eastern US time zone and I’d pick DST if I had the choice.
East Coast, standard time please.
4:30 sunrise in June just feels wrong to me.
You get used it it. Somehow the majority of the world where DST isn’t observed has no problem with an earlier sunrise. Makes it easier to be a “morning” person, if anything.
Makes it easier to be a “morning” person, if anything.
Morning people already get enough perks. Why do I want to help those judgemental pricks?
Arizona is used to it. When I drove through in July I swear the sun es already high at 4
Tbf, 5:00 sunset on standard time is not ideal for me either. But a lot more acceptable than having to suddenly adjust sleep because capitalists want to make more money.
The more I think about it, 8 am sunrise if we did permanent DST in late Dec/early January would be shit too. We should just split the difference, lol
I’m okay with that!
Permanent DST would be so stupid.
What is “noon” or “solar noon” under DST? Solar noon is supposed to be the time when the sun is at its peak. AM and PM come from ante meridiem and post meridiem, which are basically “before the sun’s peak” and “after the sun’s peak”. But, under DST the peak is at approx 1pm. So, will saying “I’ll meet you at noon” still mean 12pm? Probably, but then “solar noon” will be 1pm but “noon” will be 12am?
If the whole reason behind considering permanent DST that they think the 9-5 schedule of office life is impossible to change? This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
Fun fact: in the mid '70s the US attempted to go to full year daylight savings time. It was so hated by everyone that we switched back to switching our clocks after very few years
Because a single news story about a single child being hit by a car on the walk to school was blown out of proportion and played on everyone’s fears. Kids don’t walk to school anymore.
Kids don’t walk to school anymore
What am I passing when I drive home every afternoon? Geese?
Well if it is in the afternoon then you are seeing them walk home from school.
Go into detail about what the problems were and why everyone hated it.
People with school aged children were upset that their children were leaving for school in the dark.
People had more accidents in the morning (but accidents in the afternoon and evening hours decreased, especially pedestrian fatalities.
They didn’t even try it out for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that had to do with the Watergate scandal and the Nixon presidency.
Also the health benefits of switching to Standard time and doing away with DST would work with permanent DST too. The major health problems that are caused by the current model have to do with altering the bodies internal clock, and you get the benefits of not having to change regardless of whether we choose permant Standard time or permanent DST.
For reference purposes, car accidents spike significantly after DST ends, not just when it starts.
I think the main issue with their attempt in the 70’s is that they didn’t try to change the hours of school and work to make things more workable. We didn’t do that because it would have forced major industries to shift things and that seemed like too much work.
This would make things safer in general and fix sleep deprevation and other sleep related maladies in the vast majority of people who aren’t morning people.
And having more natural light during the waking hours decreases the amount of electricity used, can decrease heating and cooling bills, etc.
People complain about the idea (either moving permanent to standard time or morning permanently to DST) literally based on vibes. Nobody seems to give it a chance with actual changes to make it work for any length of time.
I’m also going to point out that a lot of the problem full stop is that Americans just do not have significant amounts of free time.
I wasn’t actually alive at the time, thanks for those details! I didn’t know why they hated it, just that they must have to have switched back so fast.
Yeah, I also wasn’t alive (I know most of it from my parents and the internet, but I’ve also had this conversation on the other place before.
I get the reasons why people like one or the other. I wake up at 3 am for work 5 days a week and I work 10 hour days so my feelings on the matter will be skewed no matter what, but it always seems like a majority of people want to go to standard DST when it’s a hypothetical and there’s not a good general consensus for why they switch back if it is tried.
I believe Mexico (might be another South American country), did have it and they swapped back due to the “health benefits” but it seems like a lot of the studies around day lights savings time as a whole are relying on supposition and don’t have a long term study for the actual effects.
Some studies show more car accidents, some show less, some show nuance. some studies show better or more economical use of utilities like water and rlectro, some show the opposite, or that there is no change.
Some studies show health benefits but those studies assume we don’t change sleeping schedules and so on to accommodate/ take advantage of more light, and often the health detriments are based on swapping back and forth twice a year.
Most of this comment I made after reading more articles on it rather than going off memory from the last time I had this conversation, and so what I say here may not necessarily match up with what’s in the original comment.
If I remember I’ll try to go back up and change that comment to better reflect the new info.
Non-starter, according to DST sickos they need that extra hour of daylight to be at a higher number on the clock because of all the stuff they do. As if they weren’t sitting on their asses on the couch 99% of the time either way.
I don’t need the sun to come up at 4:30 in the morning during the summer, and I am a pretty skilled runner. I’m just not a morning person.
People rarely have their bleary eyed shit together before 9am anyway, best save the sun time for off hours.
Then don’t be. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s completely arbitrary when you get up.
I wish I got to set the schedule to everything in my life
You could just make the numbers be whatever you want if that’s what you need to feel good about the time.
Again, I don’t get to set my own schedule, they’re determined by these numbers that while arbitrary, are rigid. Drop a kid off an hour late to school every day and have fun explaining that to a truancy officer, or tell your boss you’re leaving work an hour early to catch some sunlight and see how that goes.
So drop them off at the same time, but just call it 8 instead of 7. Or is it more important to force everyone else to be on the same arbitrary number as you?
They could just say school and business hour is at 8 instead of 9 from an arbitrary date and have the same effect.
Nah, it’s about outside time. Not being in my garden, on my porch, or just outside in general because it’s dark at 5pm is depressing.
Then get up an hour earlier. I personally can’t relate to feeling depressed because it’s dark out, like a bird having a blanket put over its cage, but I do enjoy the longer, cooler evenings with less UV.
No. Mornings feel like being on the wrong side of the sun.
Just change your circadian rhythms to match morning people’s. Also do cocaine
I’d love an alarm clock that only wakes you once the sun has crossed the meridian, like how navies used to only change the calendar day once they’d turned the glass and struck the bell at high noon.
I don’t know, last time I had a barbecue at 5am no one showed up.
I honestly don’t care if we choose permanent standard time or DST. Either one would be better than having to switch twice a year. I’ll even propose a compromise: we can try one for a year, try the other for the next year, and see which one works better.
Not doing either because we can’t agree on which one should be permanent seems like the worst option.
I say we just split the middle. Change the clock by 30 minutes instead of an hour and then just keep it there.
In the us your state can choose to do standard time anytimeiit wants. Daylight savings time is allowed in summer only so it is a federal issues and thus much harder to get passed.
I live so far up north that in the winter the sun rises around noon and sets two hours later.
I literally could not care less which time zone I’m in, the position of the sun has zero effect on my life.
We really should just move to permanent standard time, and judging by some of the opinions to the contrary that I’m seeing in this thread, everyone who hates that should either be given a dispensation to move their work shift and bed time back an hour or be placed on a psychiatric hold.
sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.
That sounds like the talk of a morning person. Bastard. Where’d you find them?
We can’t help being this way
don’t let trump see this. he will add two extra DST switches per year and rename it
Well they don’t call it Donald Savings Trump for nothing. What better way to honor the god emperor than sacrificing time itself in his name?
(I gagged a bit just typing this, I’m sorry)
Make daylight great again
RFK Jr recommends sun lamps during the non-savings hours. Particularly on the arsehole.
I’m pretty sure RFK sleeps under sun lamps, that’s why he looks the way he does.
It’s because he’s cold blooded
Ah yes and have companies change their working hours twice per year instead. Lol.
As someone who lived in a country with DST and now living in a country without it, it’s honestly such a pleasure never having to worry about losing or gaining an hour at an arbitrary time of the year.
As someone who hangs out online with people who don’t do DST, it’s really annoying to have to re-learn each-other’s schedules twice a year. Although that’s nowhere near as bad as when I lived in a country with DST and worked with people in the southern hemisphere who also did DST. It would mean that at some times of the year, 9am for us was 5pm for them, so a short meeting was fine. But, other times 9am was 7pm. And then there were the weeks where 9am was 6pm because one side had gone DST and the other side hadn’t yet ended it.
Even worse, the logs system at the company timestamped everything in silicon valley wall-clock time, so there were 3 different time zones at play, which all changed at different times.
Really, I think eventually we’ll all be on some kind of global time system. So, if I say the meeting is at stardate 1230.2 nobody has to convert to their own local clock.
UTC is a thing, commonly used by people who play Eve Online
Yeah, but it’s not widely used by anyone other than computer geeks. Not surprised that there’s a big crossover between computer geeks and spreadsheet pilots.
And military. Yeah, that’s pretty accurate.
I hope you never see the light of day again, only being able to beside between the hours of dusk and dawn, chained to your desk dreaming of seeing the sun just once.
I love daylight savings. I count the minutes until it returns. I think it should be permanent, for health reasons.
It absolutely doesn’t matter. What matters is not changing.
The research is in, permanent standard time is healthier.
Edit for the doubters
sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.
Good odds they’re only asking day shift.
What kind of response is that? Night shift workers are a miniscule minority and fucked either way anyway.
Evening/swing shift.
People who know about that than you do say you’re wrong, and what’s more important, I say your opinion isn’t valid, so that’s pretty much putting it to bed there.
You must be a morning person.
I’m not, I hate mornings.
How can anyone not love a long walk as the sun rises? Dawn is excellent and it’s only rival for best time is dusk.
That’s because you’re a hateful person with no joy in your life.
