Since Diaper Donnie is soon going to be rubbing his hands in glee to send Americans now into his meat grinder over wars he starts, how do you plan to avoid the draft?
I’m too old to join, thank god. Too old and too out of shape for them to bother caring. Plus a lot of psychological issues that will make me more likely shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents to help king pedo succeed in his bullshit missions.
shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents
Everybody, tell them this!
It could be a beautiful strategy to avoid the draft.
The phrase “Yes, officer, please put me in a building with access to weapons and military officials.” Is a very useful tool.
Fragging is back on the menu, boys! /s
It’s funny how a small group of people can make 99% of the world do heinous things they don’t necessarily want to do but the masses rarely fight back. Tyrants will never be afraid when they know nobody will ever do anything effective against them. Noone can convince me we aren’t already in at least the first ring of hell based on how fucked up this world is.
If you haven’t read about the Milgram Experiment, it’s a fascinating, and disheartening journey into notions of authority and compliance. In short… Milgram’s finding was that most people do what they’re told–even when they known it’s wrong–simply because they’re told to do it.
I have read about it and I have issues with it, at least the original study. The participants signed up for an experiment run by a Yale professor so I’m sure a lot of them didn’t think this would cause serious damage if any damage in reality. The participants signed up knowing they would get paid.
Not that money would excuse them for “harming” people but in combination with what would appear to be a professionally run experiment by a reputable school, I don’t think people would necessarily assume this was some kind of actual murder room.
Now if the experiment was to give randomly selected participants off the street a gun and tell them to shoot a puppy for no money, I think the results would differ.
I mean the exact problems you outline are the very reason the experiment is useful.
You give someone an order from authority regardless if it’s real or not. Then give them money to make it seem legit.
They will do basically fucking anything.
People don’t question, it’s the same reason you can basically walk into secure areas on accident with a pizza. Which is a WIERDLY common problem.
People assume things are fine if they appear fine and are told they are.
I definitely think this experiment has issues, but I think the reasons you mentioned make it more applicable to the military though not other scenarios. Bc soldiers are meant to obey orders above all else. Their commanders aren’t random people, they’re meant to be the authorities who know what’s a war crime and what’s not. Now, obviously that’s not true, or if they do know they don’t necessarily give a shit, but this all sets up a permission structure that it’s “okay” to follow orders even if it seems kinda wrong
Uh, yeah. Let us know how it goes.
Autist here, i refuse orders on principle, the only way people can get me to do anything is to have me decide that i agree on doing so.
My expectations if i was ever forced in a military setting would be to get punished for Insubordination at a constant rate, i assume to get beaten, locked up, be given the extra shitty food (which i just wouldn’t eat).
When it comes to being put under pressure i have a lifetime of experience. They can hurt, torture me all they want but will never rule over my independent thoughts.
I am no hero, nor a vigilante but simply holding on to what i know is right is what gives me strengt. And while i expect coming out bruised, broken and traumatised it will stil not be close to the horrors my own mind will inflict on me for going against my nature.
Whether I would actually shoot someone giving me orders, depends on the person, the context and the orders. But chances are they will already know i am more trouble then worth something to them and wont be handed a weapon.
insubordination in time of war generally means court marshall and life in prision or execution under extreme circumstances.
Its one thing to say you will do it and another to do it and accept the unknown but likely extremely bad repercussions.
Its another thing to literally be so autistic that the extremely bad repercussions simply don’t matter.
It wouldn’t really be a choice on my part. If society finds my existence so offensive they execute me for it thats a problem for their conscious not mine, i will die some day anyway and i am content to do so for not betraying what i know is right.
Feels bad for my family though but being an example of making unethical compromises is worse.
Good thing our cowardly Congress won’t actually declare war then.
Isn’t it the logical thing to do?
I mean, actually killing the innocent is out of the question. Shrug.
So what are my options, what can I do?
-
If I sit there and do nothing, that boss shoots me, and then he simply orders the next one to kill the innocent. No good option.
-
If I kill myself, the same as above.
-
Only if I kill that boss, then the source of the trouble is fixed. The only option to fix it.
No, I am not in a position to try it out. Much too old and much too far away from Usa.
This was about things to say in the interview at the draft board. What do you think will happen, if you say stuff like that?
“Put me in jail for refusing to kill civilians for another country’s resources. Your regime will not last as long as my sentence.”
Bonus points if something huge happens while you’re saying that and the regime literally all dies before you finish saying that sentence.
Oooh double meaning on sentence, I like it.
It’d be like the reverse of that Futurama ‘war were declared’ scene :D
“You’re going to jail and when you’re done you’re joining the battlefield anyway… unless war were undeclared.”
(Phone rings and is picked up)
(Indistinct speech)
(Hangs up)
“What was that?”
“War were undeclared.”
-
People in this comment thread seem to think it’s like one commanding officer in a room with them, so they do 1v1 combat like it’s a flipping video game.
Good point Fragging works well for multi kill achievements.
I was imagining a tent full of them while I’m outside with explosives tbh
I’m too old, but remember doing this planning after 9/11. (FWIW, if it didn’t happen then, it’s really likely not going to happen now, but you never know. Always good to have a plan.) Here he’s some options:
First option: conscientious objectors are still allowed. Go join a Buddhist temple (treeleaf.org is an online one). But you have to commit. Be a member in good standing, take the precepts, actually participate. Similarly, you can be exempted if you’re a priest. Do you genuinely think that aliens are angels and that the alien god Raël is our savior? Great! Start a local Ralean church and start preaching. Do it on YT! Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Perfect! We need more Pastafarians to get it legally recognized in more states.
Second option: Mental Health Disqualifications. An ADHD diagnosis CAN sometimes be enough to get a deferral (but Petey might sign a blanket waiver). Gender dysphoria as well, and with this administration, they’re so trans-phobic that seems like a slam dunk (assuming there’s no trans gulag you’ll end up at). The important part to any mental health disqualification is treatment or meds in the last 12 months (24 months maybe).
Third option: Stay in school, kids. Regular university attendance still is ground for a deferral…today at least. Grad school? PhD program? Might be worth the application fee.
Fourth option: Leaving the country. A lot of people ended up in Canada during Vietnam. Digital nomad visas are easy to get in a lot of places. An alternative to this would be Peace Corps service, which would let you defer being drafted until your service is done. You can extend up to 5 years in the same country. Also a large number of people in PC during Vietnam. Considering it survived when USAID didn’t, I’d say anyone qualified might as well start applying now as it can take up to a year to a placement.
Last option: Be the sole income earner for your family. So marry someone - anyone - and be employed, preferably in an industry that won’t go away during a draft (sorry, DoorDash isn’t going to cut it). I had a grand parent who was a welder during WWII who wasn’t drafted based on this one.
For anyone considering transitioning to dodge the draft, please consider you may actually be transgender, approaching transition from a direction that relieves guilt over gender conformity is pretty common.
I’d be careful with the mental health one given how they’ve been positioning to send people with ADHD to “wellness farms” and lord knows what they’d do with trans draft dodgers.
Yeah, I didn’t want to go the extra step and suggest that whatever a bunch of transphobes decide is “gender dysmorphia” will get people sent to a conversion gulag, but we were all thinking it, right?
Do what that Canadian teacher (in Hamilton I believe) who got the fake massive tits
Cases of bone spurs on the rise.
But those only help if your daddy’s rich
By being Canadian. Y’all can come live in my basement, my little American basement babies.
That’s one of the greatest acts of friendship y’all keep offering us. It’s always been appreciated
Thanks homie. I’ll cook every night.
Man, you’re WAY more charitable than I!
In 2016, I offered formal asylum to a few dangerously leftist US friends of mine.
This time 'round (2024) I publicly revoked it. I’m done with the country as a whole. They need to stay there and figure their shit out.
Your basement doesn’t have Steve French living down there, right?
What any French Stewart?
Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft? I feel like after Vietnam they realized that it’s too hard to send the general population to do terrible shit without getting a lot of pushback. A professional military that’s already filtered out anyone with a conscience is half of why they can just do shit like this while most of the country doesn’t want it. Plus technology has improved a lot, allowing a smaller force to do the same thing.
As for me. I’m already out of that age range, but I’ve already been wanting to move for a while. Maybe that would be the last kick in the pants necessary to get me to actually do it. But with the depression it’s still kind of a coin flip so….
The DoD thinks its a dumb idea to have a draft as the quality of the fighting force is degraded and other Incentives work better. The problem is facts and good reasoning are not something that the current administration is known for. Half want a Holy war to bring about Armageddon. The other half will do it based on something they see on social media.
The US government has been investing billions into AI, drones, and other autonomous and remote weapons systems.
Sending a bunch of young men to the opposite side of the world would be not just unpopular, it incredibly expensive. Food, clothing, equipment, healthcare costs. I highly doubt the end goal is to actually annex Iran, so they’re much better off trying to find a local group to support in taking over the country and establishing a US-friendly puppet state. There’s no need to have Americans in guerilla warfare for that.
The only way I see them doing that is if they WANT to kill off a chunk of the male population in that age group. Which… Maybe? I could certainly see Trump and Hegseth trying to send “undesirables” overseas to die, but they’ve also made moves like banning trans people from military service. Unless they reverse policies, it looks like Trump will prefer to cozy up to the military rather than use it as a tool for getting rid of people.
Maybe Trump will just do what Netenyahu tells him to. But I think this is more about trying to manufacture a reason to cancel mid-term elections like they outlined in 2025 than anything else. With the added benefit of funneling more government money into the military-industrial complex.
Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft?
The important question is whether THEY think they’ll bring back the draft; and the answer is yes, they are thinking of that very thing. Young men - they’ll bar women - will go and die, just to keep the Epstein files sealed by any distraction possible. Any fight, any time, anything big and bloody.
(Because if you listen to the one witness, it’s just even so much more heinous than even this)
I mean we are talking about an administration that things tarriffs are great and constantly swaps them around and also that sending paramilitary into cities is great. trying to get rid of abortion and straight up suggesting woman should not vote.
Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft?
On one hand a draft would be extremely daft on many fronts. It would make an unpopular president far more unpopular, it would put guns into the hands of a ton of disgruntled people, and there’s generally plenty of willing recruits based purely off of the economic benefits of volunteering
On the other hand, the way his administration is talking to the media it really sounds like they’re trying to lay the groundwork for a draft, including most notably saying why Trump’s youngest son “isn’t eligible to be drafted” (any normal politician would explain why their kid was “choosing not to enlist”)
They’re explicitly creating a database of people they don’t like. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a draft that only selected people from that list to send to die. However, I could also see that backfiring pretty bad. Training them up to use weapons and fight, and handing them rifles, probably isn’t the smartest move.
On of my ancestors cut his two fingers off to escape the Russian draft decades and decades ago. I’m not in America and I think I might be disqualified anyway if I were, but I wonder if that’s a modern strategy that could work. It does sound a bit drastic…
My German great grandpa was a pacifist and got around being drafted into WW1 and WW2 by pretending to be an alcoholic. He apparently barely ate and lived only from booze and cigarettes for a month. He went to the draft office underweight and shaking and they pretty much sent him home immediately. Unfortunately he did some actual damage to his liver with it but I guess it’s better than getting blown to bits for the Emperor or the Nazis.
God, he must have really committed to the act to do acutte liver damage in 30 days
Did he have fun at least? How much sauce was that per day?
I guess it’s not something he wanted to take any chances with. His father was fairly high up in the Austro-Hungarian military, so he knew what the frontline was like.
He still lived a long and decently healthy life and died in his 80s. Never drank or smoked again though.
Good for him, lucky the liver is respawnable
Or it was retrospective.
“Frank what the fuck have you been doing while I was away visiting my family?”
“Um, er, ah, dodging the draft! Yeah, that’s it. Certainly not a month long bender.”
😜
God that must have been bleak, watching the USSR collapse, congress burning on TV, followed by years of hunger and finding out you might get sent to die for some oligarchs in Russia in Chenchnya.
Just shit your pants for a week straight before going to the draft office, like Ted Nugent
German here, so provably not applicable as it was 17 years ago (jeez) and a climate when they were just getting rid of it (only to reintroduce it again this year)
I avoided “Wehrdienst” by rolling in hungover with sunglasses and a Hawaiian shirt, botching their written test and telling them how much I enjoy going to leftist demonstrations and how I can’t wait to hold a weapon in my hand.
I think they don’t enjoy the idea of arming and training leftists.
Way to accept the premise of the question. Time to watch Full Metal Jacket.
If you’re going to die anyway, you might as well all band together and storm the (what’s left of) the white house and take the fcker down with you.
The rest of the world would name national holidays after you and hail you as a hero.
Not an american, but my country has a mandatory lottery style conscription system :3… I did end up with my name in it once, but I never got past the medical evaluation :3 failed the psychological tests lol. It did end up with me getting a military mandated mental hospital visit™ tho, which is a fun story to tell
Story time?
Story time!
TW for mental health and SH I guess :3
So, this was a few years ago now, but I got conscripted for military service, and at that point you’re supposed to go to recruitment stuff, and medical evaluations and all that. At the medical check up they did a bunch of tests, eyes, feet, spine, heart, and so on, and then eventually it got to the psychological bit.
First was a go to the psychologist there, and it was all the standard stuff of fill out a questionnaire, then go in and talk to the psychologist about it, whatever. At the time I was pretty depressed, had a lot of anxiety, and also self harmed, which of course I answered without lying. They ask to see my SH scars, which I showed, and then they wrote some stuff down and sent me across the hall to talk to a psychiatrist, they again ask about the stuff I filled out, and eventually ask to see the scars, which I show, and they basically say “you don’t need to any more tests today, go to such and such mental hospital, say it’s for this military thing blah blah blah” and so on.
(I cut myself on my legs, so to this day that remains the only time a mental health professional has asked me to take off my pants)
Anywho I register to go there in a few days, and it’s much of the same process, talk to the psychologist, they ask about my life and parents and relationships (was kinda like a therapy session lol), talk to a psychiatrist, talk to the psychologist again… Eventually I get taken to another building, they tell me to wait while they fill some stuff out, then I got taken into the office to answer some questions in front of a bunch of doctors about myself and how I feel about the military service thing, and at the end they hand me a large sealed envelope to deliver to the military recruitment centre, which I do, and then im officially dismissed from the military :3… and I got paid like 20 bucks or something like that for the day I was technically in the military lol
Why would they draft me? I’ve never even been to the US!
Don’t worry, they’ll come to you
What are you doing on our American internet???
Not of age, I got through the “draft period” during GWB. The US probably won’t have a draft, mainly because we have a sizeable “volunteer” military.
However, if I was drafted, I would talk to my draft board about how I’ve read books about fragging, and how all I can think about is how powerful that is, for one man with one weapon on the inside to destroy or disrupt the chain of command. Then do your best Private Pyle “Seven Six Two millimeter. Full Metal jacket!” imitation. The military doesn’t care about sending untrained and unqualified conscripts into an active war, but I doubt they will take someone who seems to have uncontrollable fantasies about shooting their own officer.
Didn’t vietnam have an extremely high rate of officer friendly fire casualties? I thought this was actually a major component of ending the draft.
Take an opiate before I go in and nod out in the line or seat or interview or whatever.
Also talk about how you’ve had to be on the opiates to come to terms with figuring out that you might be a different gender.
Boom. No war for you.
(I’m not really conscription age)
yeah thats not gonna fly. you’re gon a have to prove a history of drug abuse and mental illness for that to disqualify you, and for being transgender to disqualify you you have to have already started medically transitioning
Man if you go in there nodding out and drooling on the desk I feel like they’re not giving you a gun and you couldn’t go to basic training until you went through treatment you would tell them.
What’s there to prove? You showed up high AF on opiates and are very clearly (in their eyes) a drug addict if you do that.
Same principle as the weed doctor. You just need a therapist willing to sign off on whatever you tell them. Quite honestly it’s probably even easier than that, normal intake for drug abuse is a questionnaire about usage history.
So what all young men should be doing now is going to get drug abuse treatment just to get the intake paperwork done. Tell them you’ve been using since you were 13 and can’t stop. Give them a phone number one digit off from yours if you don’t want a phone call to remind you to come to treatment since you’re just trying to establish a history.
Thank you for putting this all in one place!
-Your cloud-based Palantir agent
This (googles estradiol valerate) …GAL knows whats up.
I hear they don’t let trans people in. Could try that
that’s how you end up in a labor camp making military drones instead
Labor camp if you do, labor camp if you don’t. Unless you’re a 14yo biological girl. There’s a different camp for you.
Completely unrelated, but Simple Sabotage Field Manual was a fun little read.
If you’re lucky
Ngl, given how much the average transfemme enjoys tech and building 40k minifigs, I think they would get some enthuastic volunteers. Hell, a lot of them will bring their own cages.
